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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 6
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      … your summary is somewhat off, an a way that is natural given the broader understanding of meditation and non-duality in America currently. I have some minor quibbles with the quoted text block, plus a main one that you picked up on.

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 6
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      It equates non-duality / enlightenment with absence of a self / other boundary. This is not the view of Dzogchen. (This view in current America probably comes from modernist Zen…https://vividness.live/2011/07/02/zen-vs-the-u-s-navy/ …

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @micahtredding and

      … which merged German Romantic Idealism with … probably? … some actual Zen) “No self/other boundary” is *one* understanding of enlightenment within Buddhism. It’s not wrong… It’s incomplete…https://vividness.live/2011/10/06/wholeness-connection-and-meditation-competing-visions/ …

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 6
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      “No self/other boundary” is a form of monism, which is (a) obviously false, and (b) harmfulhttps://meaningness.com/monism-dualism-and-participation …

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 6
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      There are many radically different conceptions of enlightenment within Buddhism…https://vividness.live/2012/09/13/epistemology-and-enlightenment/ …

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @micahtredding and

      Oh, backing up one step, here’s a take on the relationship between self and other (“inside” and “outside,” “mind” and “world”) that is non-dual in roughly the Dzogchen sense of “neither separable nor the same”:https://meaningness.com/self 

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @micahtredding and

      The quoted text speaks of “absence of separation,” which is accurate, but it’s easy to misunderstand as “identical,” which is wrong. (So my biggest quibble is not what it says but with what it doesn’t say, but imo should have! Maybe the author(s) say this somewhere else.)

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @micahtredding and

      Let’s take a step back and examine “non-duality.” Wherever this term is used, it’s helpful to ask: “in this context, what thing is asserted to be ‘not dual’ with what other thing?” And: “If these things are ‘not dual,’ what *is* their relationship?”

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 6
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      These are the sorts of picky questions STEM-educated people like to ask & Romantic people hate. I am a STEM-educated person. I find reluctance to ask these questions is often based on an eternalistic hope “enlightenment” will magically solve all problemshttps://meaningness.com/hope 

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @micahtredding and

      Generally speaking, in Dzogchen, “non-duality” means “neither separate nor identical”; and then the details of what that means needs to be worked out in particular situations.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 6
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      🤔 seems neither separate from, nor identical to, bheda-abheda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achintya_Bheda_Abheda …

      1:19 PM - 6 Oct 2020
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