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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 4
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      David Chapman Retweeted  🔥Kareem Carr 🔥

      I like and agree with both these people. The prerational/rational/meta-rational framing may help understand their apparent disagreement...https://twitter.com/kareem_carr/status/1312766149487194112?s=20 …

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       🔥Kareem Carr 🔥 @kareem_carr
      We shouldn't be declaring who does and doesn't belong in the discipline of mathematics based on the political implications of their abstract philosophical beliefs about the nature mathematical objects. This is not good. https://twitter.com/HeatherEHeying/status/1312464832512229378 …
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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 4
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      Heying argues for the value of rationality and functional systems against what I've called "pseudo-pomo": pre-rational tribal politics, driven by incoherent emotions and real or fictitious kinship, dressed up in the jargon of postmodern critical theory. https://meaningness.com/metablog/stem-fluidity-bridge#sabotage …pic.twitter.com/j40uwUsM5e

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 4
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      Fighting on behalf of rational systems is critically important now as major institutions we depend on, constructed original on rational foundations, appear to be disintegrating. Pseudo-pomo seems to be one major cause. https://meaningness.com/metablog/stem-fluidity-bridge#destroy …pic.twitter.com/pvWQw7jzBT

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 4
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      Hmm. Dunno. I smell a motte and bailey maneuver where you go from axiomatic relativism in the sense of say non-Euclidean geometries to pandering in bad faith to people who want to construct identitarian pedagogies.

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        1. Rerarom‏ @rerarom Oct 4
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          and even in math there is no non-Euclidean arithmetic

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 4
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          For a while there was a reactionary movement in India to construct a “Vedic mathematics”. It was actually potentially interesting in a counterfactual way, like what might have happened if the Indian tradition hadn’t died out by the 18th century when European math entered.

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Oct 4
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          For example, old Indian texts approach trigonometry with pre-Cartesian ways of thinking about sines and cosines. Might be interesting to extrapolate. Except that’s not the sort of thing “Vedic” math ideologues wanted to pursue. They basically wanted Hinduism in schools.

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Oct 4
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          Yes! That’s the general pattern of “pseudo-pomo”: appropriating meta-rational terms and arguments and putting them to pre- or anti-rational purposes. Neither pre-rational nor merely-rational people can tell the difference, so this is effective.

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