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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 26
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      Observation: psychopaths are often charming/reassuring and can put you at ease in a trusting, vulnerable state. Hypothesis A: Psychopaths learn to fake norms of trustworthiness and reassurance Hypothesis B: Societies evolve to normalize psychopath behaviors as norms for all

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 26
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      B is very intriguing. What if all is non-psychos pick up highly manipulative behaviors as “polite and considerate” behavior via imitation of powerful psychopaths? And so all societies have psychopathic cultures of manners as their UX?

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 26
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      Many of the actual kindest and most trustworthy people I know are ill-mannered. Not in the sense of being pointlessly rude or sadistic, but rough, uncouth, and ill-at-ease even in their own milieus. They can’t put others at ease.

      4 replies 11 retweets 88 likes
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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 26
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      Entertaining thoughts is fun. I guess why they call it entertaining. Building on that maybe I should host a party for thoughts, serve them alcohol (which I’d have to drink of course since they live in my head)

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 26
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      Okay, just thought up a pretty robust case for B that this margin is too small to contain. I’m upgrading it to working hypothesis.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 27
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      Venkatesh Rao Retweeted Alec Resnick

      Logging interesting exchange with @aresnickhttps://twitter.com/aresnick/status/1310205567085031424?s=21 …

      Venkatesh Rao added,

      Alec Resnick @aresnick
      Replying to @aresnick @SamoBurja @vgr
      At least one mechanism for this: witting application of force invites resistance, unwitting manipulation does no, leading to selection for ever subtler mechanisms of manipulation. In the limit, manipulators cannot see themselves as such, but have been selected into their roles.
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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 27
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      Obv this is a subtweet thread of shit going on I can’t share publicly. My entire writing career is an extended subtweet. My memoirs should be titled “Subtweeting the Universe”

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 27
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      Venkatesh Rao Retweeted Laeeth

      Yep. Adverse selection ftw.https://twitter.com/Laeeth/status/1310285867202867202 …

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      Laeeth @Laeeth
      This is spot on. See Dr Edwin Friedman A Loss of Nerve on how empathy is weaponised as a tool by those who don't have the interests of the group at heart. https://twitter.com/vgr/status/1309988191114416128 …
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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 27
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      Trying on 2 summary aphoristic versions of the hypotheses for size A: Sufficiently advanced psychopathy/sociopathy is indistinguishable from good manners B: Civilization is the process of turning sociopathy into good manners B strikes me as more true

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 27
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      Oh shit just realized @kimballscott 2x2 fits right into this theory. Ruinous empathy and manipulative insincerity are right next to each other and if you can’t tell real/fake “care personally” apart, they’ll look the same to you.pic.twitter.com/lmuvcEZmcm

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 27
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      If you have low self-awareness you won’t be able to tell them apart even on yourself, and mistake your own manipulative insincerity for empathy. In the zone in between it may be ruinous for others but advantageous for you.

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 27
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          Venkatesh Rao Retweeted Thomas Hollands

          This is a tempting conclusion to draw but us actually survivorship bias. If you don’t actually successfully resist a manipulation attempt you might *never* realize it. This is one way redpilling works: revealing your manipulated condition to yourself.https://twitter.com/tdoggyholhol/status/1310289947572736001 …

          Venkatesh Rao added,

          Thomas Hollands @tdoggyholhol
          Replying to @vgr
          A seems clearly false. You might not be able to point to how you’re being coerced, but you always know when something isn’t right
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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 27
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          Subconscious = known unknown (“something is wrong here/spider sense tingling”) Unconscious = you register the data necessary to draw the right conscious conclusion but don’t actually do so, and might never do so. Doesn’t need repression. Just failure to think it through.

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