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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 23
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    One of the advantages of formal education over autodidact is that at some point 10-20 years later you realize you learned everything the wrong way, blame your teachers, and start to fix the damage. Self-taught people have no one else to blame but themselves, so they often don’t.

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      2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 23
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        Anything you self-learn has a slightly higher chance of being correct, but a much higher chance of going uncorrected if wrong. So net you end up wrong about a lot. If you’re lucky you build on more-right learnings.

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 23
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        Autodidactic learning is best where the subject itself forces you into a strong trial and error learning loop, like an REPL. Otherwise the sense of rediscovery creates too much identity attachment to what you know.

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      4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 23
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        This is a real thing. Even the most trivial learning becomes an identity thing if you discover it for yourself instead of being guided or socratically nudged there. In other news Socratic method is nudging libertarian paternalism and should be viewed with hostile suspicions.

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      5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 23
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        When you’re self-taught, you’re attached to every mistake that doesn’t obviously and immediately hurt you. What doesn’t kill you only makes you youer.

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      2. Adam Gurri‏Verified account @adamgurri Sep 23
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        But at the same time, and @Aelkus said it best, the only autodidacts who truly learn are the ones who cultivate a community of friends and mentors (perhaps even mentees) who challenge them & have expertise in areas the autodidact does not.

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        The autodidact who goes it alone can end up intellectual deformed, horizons shrinking ever smaller even as they read great works. You need those ties, those two (or more) way relationships if you want to really grow.

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      1. Nelson M. Rosario  🏃‍♂️ ⚖ 🇵🇷 🌌 👨‍💻‏ @NelsonMRosario Sep 23
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        Man, this articulates so well what I've always found so off-putting about autodidactism.

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      2. Andrew Wheeler‏ @sixfootbrit Sep 23
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        Gotta say, this is an uncharacteristically crappy take from you. Those taught in institutions are usually very invested in their elite status. Seems like the same thing that would prompt the 10-20 year realization works equally well for the autodidact.

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      3. collin hughes‏ @collinhughes Sep 23
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        elite status certified by...themselves? generally autodidacts aren't seen as "elite" because there's no scale. very least autodidactic could lean towards a self-fulfillment rather than external validation from peers

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      2. ℂ∅ϼƔ⊆∀†‏ @joquji5n324il Sep 23
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        Intriguing thought, but one major factor is the individual autodidact's personality. Someone who doesn't experience cognitive dissonance (motivating them to perhaps update their beliefs), isn't very introspective, or is too protective of ego is less likely to avoid this trap.

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      3. ℂ∅ϼƔ⊆∀†‏ @joquji5n324il Sep 23
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        Also if someone too protective of ego has a formal education, they might later on blame their teachers when they in fact were a poor student and the weakest link, suggesting to me an individual's personality can create pitfalls regardless the type of education.

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