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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 19
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      I’m arguing 3 things and it is not clear what part you object to 1. A big differential has emerged since 1980 for various reasons. Blue began thriving more economically. 2. It would be good if Red were to also begin thriving again economically 3. Blue can/should help

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    2. Bombadil Brin‏ @bjorn_daporn Sep 19
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      Bombadil Brin Retweeted Venkatesh Rao

      Solely the mechanism by which 3 occurs; you believe red has an absurd caricature of blue, then proceed to make one of red; based on that caricature, you seem to think they need an understanding of shared humanity instead of job opportunities.https://twitter.com/vgr/status/1307419044115406848?s=20 …

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      I find that Red America is deeply caught up in a “decline of the west” neo-spenglerian narrative with no desire to even look for a shared new common humanity narrative. They see no place for themselves on a world that the west doesn’t unilaterally dominate.
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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 19
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      This is not a caricature. I’ve had red ideologues make pretty much this exact argument at me multiple times. And their relentless support for Trump and everything he’s done/tried to do dies not exactly falsify the caricature.

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    4. Bombadil Brin‏ @bjorn_daporn Sep 19
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      I see; it's their support for Trump that tells you they don't have an understanding of shared humanity? As well as them saying so directly? b/c Disliking Kissinger's profit-making by the deindustrialization of America (for added green PR) is not a rejection of shared humanity.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 19
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      Both. And I don’t see the deindustrialization of America as a problem. Outsourcing to China was the best thing for both countries at the time. Post-Covid the US is going to reindustrialize, but in a high-automation software-eaten robots-and-AI way that won’t help Red much.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 19
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      Profits are good. China developing rapidly in 20 years while supplying far cheaper goods to the US than it could to itself was good. Attaching Kissinger’s name to a broad historical trend is a kind of meaningless smear. Chimerica was an inevitable thing for its time.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 19
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      At some level that’s shared humanity. You recognize the value of good things happening for others. If it means you sometimes have to scramble to reposition, so be it. But if “profit” and “green” are suspect terms for you, you’ll ofc see blue as irredeemably corrupted.

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    8. Bombadil Brin‏ @bjorn_daporn Sep 19
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      I am sorry, but profits gained from reviving slavery and free-range industrial pollution are neither "good", "green" nor "shared humanity". And yes I am very suspicious of those who would call net higher emissions "green" and profits from slave labor "good".

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 19
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      Your conundrum that you are apparently trying to “use twitter to deradicalize well-intentioned people” to quote your twitter profile. That suggests a certain radical confidence in your own unradical reasonableness. I think such a posture is both impossible and doomed today.

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    10. Bombadil Brin‏ @bjorn_daporn Sep 19
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      That's a common sentiment among the radicalized; they believe themselves in a moment of crises in which the tenants of civil society need to be abandoned (&can be abandoned w/o personal consequence). They then inevitably attempt to coerce others into their absolutist morality.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 19
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      Nope. Not at all what I meant. Based on our conversation, seems to me you’re much more of a radical than I am. Your posture feels largely like projection. I wouldn’t be so sure you’re not the one in need of deradicalization. Luckily for you I don’t see it as my job.

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 19
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          The presumption that you’re the magisterially correct and non-radical judge of who is “well intentioned,” whose own intentions and non-radicalness are self-evidently obvious... needs modulation with some doubt.

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        3. Bombadil Brin‏ @bjorn_daporn Sep 19
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          The basis of my disagreement with you is that your solution to the economic disparity is to make the red express an understanding of shared humanity in terms you can recognize; further, you think an un-radical posture is impossible and doomed "today"; wasn't going to go there but

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