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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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      Hmm. I think the difference might be reversibility. The prospect of jogging for 30min at 200 watts (= 360 kJ = 86 calories) is merely eustressful because you expect any muscle wear to be easily repaired through normal rest. The prospect of breaking a leg otoh... distressful

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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      Why... because you expect a much higher energy load in healing, and possibly never healing perfectly, so the energy demands of the rest of life go up. You can expect everything to be a bit harder. Your base life power rate goes up. And this is without even the pain expectation.

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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      Though, not all irreversible increases in rest-of-life power output are distressful. If good things happen, so that your life becomes more worth living, you might enjoy living it more energetically. Hmm. So gotta calculate quality of life in terms of the desired power output.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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      Okay, so final... you recursively back up the energy equation for steady-state life conditions (watts to live, watts that are fun) from deathbed, via irreversible changes. The net rate of irreversible changes that lead to better/worse lives (= “growth”/“decline”?) is the key.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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      Feels like I’m sketching out an energy version of Schmidhuber interestingness/compression progress type argument. Stress is the second derivative of rate of irreversible energy[expectation changes or something.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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      The difference here I think is that the information is not the primitive, energy is. Information can regulate uncertainty and thereby modulate energy expenditure expectations.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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      Maybe we can define psychological death as an expectation of system-breaking energy surge you know you cannot produce. As in, “I can’t outrun the lion” sort of thing. All you can do is turn Buddhist extremely fast before the lion pounces.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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      Happily ever after = terminal boundary condition = zero watts state of death But via big maxed-out failed spike, Iike death convulsions Hmm, macabre thought, what’s the energy load of various ways to die? I think I’d like to glide smoothly to zero.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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      Energy of course is just one variable in a bodily response. I expect fatal acute respiratory distress isn’t particularly high energy, but the distress will come from the fact that the energetic response (willed+automatic) won’t regulate the pain signal.

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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      Okay, new twist: agency. If energetic actions actually affect the pain/pleasure and expectations thereof, it’s “good” energy output. It’s good if you’re closing a gap, bad if the gap is widening anyway. If you can actually outrun the lion, it becomes a game.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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      Imagine someone approaching death. Most of the events on the horizon are predictable (tests, medicines, strange hospital environment with strange nurses and doctors poking/prodding you, growing discomfort, increasingly aggressive body envelope violation with tubes/needles...)

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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          But by definition, dying will mean more and more of the tests will come back with bad news and trigger more discomfort and activity. Your overall sense of well-being will decline even as energy output by you and on your behalf goes up, with falling effectiveness. Lion catching up

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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          At some point the ultimate irreversible event horizon will appear. This way, at 49% likelihood, lies a chaotic, energetic struggle and recovery. That way, at 51%, lies the Game Over. The uncertainty regulation here will break down discontinuously. The mortality singularity.

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        4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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          Well that thread landed in a grim place 💀💀💀 Memento mori

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        5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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          Hmm. I think I’ve uncovered a conceptual question: what’s the difference between regular irreversibility and death? Answer is approximately “there is nothing it’s like to look back and feel loss from the other side because there’s no continuous I-self making the transition”

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        6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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          Irreversibility assumes a continuous perspective looking backward and forward in time.

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        7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Sep 15
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          Straggling thought. Exercise lowers stress because it recalibrates your sense of how much power you can output. A cognitive “pump” effect that temporarily makes your uncertainty regulation band larger. Of course it doesn’t last so many just turn into gym addicts.

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