that's not disputed. the problem is telling someone else what they can or can't control, esp coming from a place of privilege. stoicism sounds a lot like "just accept your lot" which is good advice in many cases, but reinforces the status quo as a normative theory for living
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Replying to @alexkozak @vgr and
But that would be a problem with a strawman version of stoicism, wouldn't it?
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Or a problem with stoicism as practiced... you’d be defending a strawman no-true-stoic ideal
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Replying to @vgr @alexkozak and
I have considered that, but is that in fact how it is practiced by most people? My understanding is that the whole point is how you handle yourself, not how you expect other people to handle themselves.
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Replying to @mrgunn @alexkozak and
The idea that your choices and mine are separable prima facie before moral/ethical considerations are entertained is a basic weakness in all conservative philosophies (and stoicism is one). It implicitly assumes the legitimacy of the status quo so long as you personally can copepic.twitter.com/CKJAiTLN1v
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Basically under sufficient privilege a stoic posture is either naïveté or hypocrisy. If my adversity is trivial, handling it with stoic grace says nothing about whether I’m more moral/stronger etc than someone throwing screaming tantrums under far greater stressors.
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Replying to @vgr @alexkozak and
Of course not! I think I see the divergence here. Yes, virtue ethics where virtue = bearing something stoically, means virtue is more available to some than others. I guess I just mentally filter that stuff out & try to take the good bits about understanding scope of action.
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In some ways it seems like a category error to call stoicism an ideology or ethic at all under modern conditions. It’s closer to a consumption aesthetic, like minimalism. A performed aesthetic of bearing, composure etc. I honestly find it hard to take seriously. Reads larp to me.
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"Stoic LARP w/ Venkatesh Rao" This sounds like an amazing Stoa session to have. ;)
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Peter keeps trying to rope me into his Stoa thing. I refuse on principle to participate in anything that has a legible position in the culture wars 
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It's not really that legible, though, is it? I mean, don't let the name throw you off, look at the programming. I've had to bail on sessions that got too deep into woo there, so you might be surprised.
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To be fair I’m basically saying no to almost everything these days
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