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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jul 10
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    Funny how we associate particular accents with particular kinds of intelligence. It’s a hidden aspect of stereotyping. One reason Knives Out was an interesting movie was that Daniel Craig had that thick, weird southern accent but played basically a straight-up classic detective

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      1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jul 10
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        For that accent, you expect some sort of provincial homey-wisdom intelligence. With a British (Holmes) or French/Belgian (Poirot) accent you expect classic detective intelligence.

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      1. Swaroop‏ @swarroup Jul 10
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        India is the place you're looking for to see how accents are stereotyped. Forget intelligence, class, status, power are all determined by one's English accent.

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      1. Arjun Suri‏ @arjunsuri Jul 10
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        This makes a lot of sense. In fact, films about the “triumphant fool” (eg. forrest gump) use this quite often.

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      2. Soham Sankaran‏ @sohamsankaran Jul 10
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        The size of this perceptional effect has been pretty staggering to observe as someone with the ability to switch between American East Coast, Bombay, and English-inflected colonial accents -- American makes me seem smoother & more confident, English smarter & more authoritative.

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      3. Tom Pink‏ @turdish Jul 10
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        And what does the Bombay Indian accent do?

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      2. Tom VanAntwerp wears a mask and you should too.‏ @tvanantwerp Jul 10
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        Despite being a "Southern" accent (at least to the ears of non-Southerners), Craig's accent in Knives Out was still an upper-class variety. It's a gentlemanly drawl, not a redneck's incoherent slurring. So I'd say it still plays to the stereotype.

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      3. MetaJess‏ @ssica3003 Jul 10
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        In fact there are a number of characters who have this refined southern drawl eg In the Cohen Brothers’ Ladykillers: https://youtu.be/v4ELzJ49aAw pic.twitter.com/xIMjVGLZwo

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      2. Skelejon the Spooksmas Ghost‏ @whyevernotso Jul 10
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        Are you familiar with sociolinguistic prestige? It’s the framework that linguists use to analyse this, the perception of different dialects & registers. You’re referring to *overt* low prestige, where a speaker is stereotyped as unintelligent, backward, rural, working-class, &c.

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      3. Skelejon the Spooksmas Ghost‏ @whyevernotso Jul 10
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        There is also *covert* prestige, whereby speakers find solidarity or do in-group signalling in each other’s dialect, like a shibboleth. For example, I can use the “gay accent” or otherwise queer-coded language to signal to fellow queer people that I’m “safe” & on their side.

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      2. Laura Lieberman‏ @LieberTax Jul 10
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        This generally checks out. I'm from the South, and don't have that much of an accent, but I've noticed that some of my friends with thicker accents get viewed and treated in certain ways.

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      3. Laura Lieberman‏ @LieberTax Jul 10
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        Like, in the "you have a rural southern accent so you must have folksy knowledge" sort of way.

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