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    1.  🤧 🌎‏ @atthatmatt Jun 22
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      1/ It seems like the core assumption of wokeness is that people don't have their own opinions. Wokeness means waking up to the realization there are no individuals, only groups and systems. Having one's own opinion, rather than group opinion, is an impossibility

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    2.  🤧 🌎‏ @atthatmatt Jun 22
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      @vgr @ostensiblynil @alex_petralia @EdGibney @tannerguzy

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    5.  🤧 🌎‏ @atthatmatt Jun 22
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      Replying to @alex_petralia @vgr and

      Yeah, it is now possible for the idea "only consensus creates valid opinions" to actually stretch its legs and walk around. It's an old idea, but it lived under a green sun, or whatever, and it's been super-powered by the yellow sun of smartphones. Something I've that.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jun 22
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      Replying to @atthatmatt @alex_petralia and

      It's not about opinions, but consciousness, as in mass true or false consciousness in the Marxist sense of the term, so to that extent it's an old thing. Woke = awake/awakened = losing false consciousness beliefs. Not about opinions or consensus.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jun 22
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      The right comparison is to the idea of being red-pilled. Woke is maybe green-pilled? Both are based on the conceit that the mainstream is laboring under some sort of deep illusion and that the elect chosen ones have broken free into the truth.

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    8.  🤧 🌎‏ @atthatmatt Jun 22
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      Sort of but that sounds like it's still just ideology. The way I'm using it, wokeness is ideology neutral. Wokeness is the state of believing rightness comes from consensus. Ideology came from ideologues. I think in full wokeness the hierarchy is flat.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jun 22
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      Replying to @atthatmatt @alex_petralia and

      Interesting concept and definition but I think you need a new word fir that. Wokeness as it exists and as the term is used now seems much more banal than magic consensus model

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        1.  🤧 🌎‏ @atthatmatt Jun 22
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          Minimum Viable Consensus A lot of people, for a long time, have liked the idea that God's opinion isn't real and individual opinion is flawed. Consensus does away with flaws. From each according to their ability, to each according to consensus.

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