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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jun 17
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    We are a social species, yet attempts to codify social behavior leads to bad politics (progressivism and traditionalism) We are a high-coordination species, yet attempts to systematize coordination leads to bad economics (collectivism, localism, and now naive blockchainism)

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      2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jun 17
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        How do you get societies that resist pwnage by codified modes of being social? How do you get collectives that resist pwnage by systematized modes of collective action? How do you do so without denying both aspects and defaulting to living within the limits of individualism?

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jun 17
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        Every time you attempt to build an institution or organization these are always the central questions. There are no eternal and universal answers. Only particular configurations that work for a specific group for a specific period of time, under certain environmental conditions.

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      4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jun 17
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        “What is THIS environment like, and how do we enable good social dynamics and collective action here and now for THIS group” is a more interesting and well-posed question than looking for universal and timeless principles. There is no perfect society or mode of collective action.

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      1. Arlyn Culwick‏ @arlynculwick Jun 17
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        I wonder whether things might go differently if (a) the coordination wasn't done by some human (b) whose potential for vested interests was intrinsically refutable. i.e. decentralized emergent governance ftw.

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      2. Thomas‏ @thomasverhagen Jun 17
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        Not sure if I understand w.r.t localism? To me it seems to stem in cultural-political preferences, not attempts at a systematised coordination of resources.

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      3. Thomas‏ @thomasverhagen Jun 17
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        Arguably, in that sense it can be read as a decentralisation of social behaviour, therefore less systematisation

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      2. Oleksandr Nikitin‏ @oleksandr_now Jun 17
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        reducing any mode of communication to the simple set of rules kills the “uncharted” creativity space and turns it into a zero-sum virtue signaling game

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      3. Varun Adibhatla‏ @vr00n Jun 17
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        This is precisely what bothers me about conflating self-censorship and virtue. "I shall think but not say out loud" Not only does it kill creative space, it represses modes of communication into codified black market jargon.

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      1. Simon H‏ @Simon_H0l Jun 17
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        Have you read the Wait But Why series on politics in America? It goes over this reasoning and why it it makes politics awful.https://waitbutwhy.com/2019/12/political-disney-world.html …

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      1. Rerarom‏ @rerarom Jun 17
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        "attempts to codify social behavior leads to bad politics" I think Moldbug's formalism was an attempt to do it in a self-aware way

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