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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 30
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      I too feel this frustration, but the US and UK are NOT Myanmar or Vietnam. And the reason they have the Cala ity to do vaccine research etc to really solve this is also the reason they can’t do quarantine like authoritarian states can https://twitter.com/comparativist/status/1256085315216764928?s=21 … https://twitter.com/Comparativist/status/1256085315216764928 …

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 30
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      It’s a cliche but it’s also a deep truth — the liberal democratic west owes all its strengths AND weaknesses to precisely the ways in which it is not like those authoritarian states that find it “easy” to contain Covid in the short term.

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 30
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      And to the extent the world is a connected web with the fates of these supposedly “better” states dependent on the west in a myriad ways — it doesn’t matter that they’ve done better in short-term local ways. In the long term everybody’s fate is linked to what ha;pens to the west.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 30
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      Country comparisons are kinda stupid anyway. It’s like left leg laughing at the right leg for developing gangrene. Coupled fates. Either whole world makes it out of this together or there’s so much hurt instore for all it doesn’t matter that you did well for first few months.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 30
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      The great diversity of the world’s systems of governance is a feature of how it works. “Why can’t we all be like Korea?” makes about as much sense as “why aren’t we all ethnically Korean?” Because the world doesn’t work that way. It’s a bunch of different places, not one place.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 30
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      All the objections I get to threads like this sound similar to me to “why can’t we donate excess Idaho potatoes to food banks” Who’s “we”? Which subset of we is going to organize the truck fleet to do this? Who will pay the drivers? “Why can’t we be like country X” is the same

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 30
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      In an ideal world, excess potatoes would miraculously be teleported to hungry people because Twitter Saint willed it. In an ideal world, all diffs between Korea and the US vanish miraculously because Twitter Saint willed it.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 30
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      Solve for the country/systems you have, not the one you wish you had. You can ignore constraints to make bad comparisons to blame people you hate, but those constraints don’t actually go away. Potatoes still need trucking. The US still has an electoral college. Deal with it.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 30
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      It is easy to work yourself up into a self-righteous lather and feel like you’re a better person than the Bad People who are preventing the Obvious Solution that way. You might even be right about them being bad if not about how the systems work. But it doesn’t solve problems.

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 30
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      Interesting that test-and-trace people keep trying to tell me it’s not about measurement but containment. Uh huh. There’s a reason nobody flags that last bit, as in test-trace-and-quarantine. The political difficulty goes up 10x for that. So we pretend the easy part is it.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 30
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      There is very little political capacity to do large-scale selective quarantine enforcement in the west. Take your pick: Group quarantine Ankle monitors Trust patriotic self-isolation Each breaks. Ship has sailed anyway I think.

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 30
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          I did a thread about this. We’ll have it eventually but not soon enough for this time.https://twitter.com/vgr/status/1249380932152258560?s=21 …

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          Tired: the last mile Wired: the last yard Wireless: last-yard NFC contact tracing
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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr May 1
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          Next question I’m thinking about. Thought experiment— if the government gave up and said “do whatever, we give up, reopen at will...” What would people and businesses actually do? What is the natural reopening pattern absent rule of law? 🤔

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        1. UcKema - Cold Climate Type‏ @uckema Apr 30
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          you would be SHOCKED. if bloomberg et all say "we do this the rest of you can go back to work with masks" the entire nyc region would turn into literally Little Brothers ASAP.

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          What happened? Where did this capacity just vanish? We could and did such things routinely for plague, smallpox, Measles, TB etc.

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        1. Sabr is a Blessing‏ @sabr_blessing May 1
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          Would you be in favor of human microchipping, then? Excellent thread btw.

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          Community was the answer to this test-and-trace problem in the West. But also, because of the social and economic direction of the West in the last 30 years, not politically desirable to implement, and no non-political community leaders left to create it.

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          Communities could have handled the quarantine, too. It needed (still does, there's still time) an approach of total fascism towards the virus, and maximum dignity towards the sick and at risk. But as you conclude, we'll arrive at all kinds of blurry political fudges instead.

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