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    Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 28 Apr 2020

    Next pandemic live read, Barbara Tuchman, A Distant Mirror, a history of the 14th century through the life of a single minor nobleman whose life was coextensive with the main events, esp the Black Death. https://amzn.to/2ww5ixs 

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      2. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 3 May 2020

        This is the rare history book that is so engrossing it’s competing and winning against the Terry Pratchett I’m reading (Maskerade) for bedtime escapist relaxation. The 14th century is the right shit show to compare too. Our pandemic so far has been paradise by comparison.

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      3. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 3 May 2020

        Introduction is an excellent apologia for shortcomings of historical research methodology. Problems or missing/noisy data, biases of eras of historiography etc are deftly discussed. Choice of Enguerrand de Coucy as lens of the story explained.

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      4. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 3 May 2020

        First chapter is a sketch of French society esp the Coucys milieu at the start of the story. It’s a feudal decentralized polity with weak monarchy, strong sumptuary laws and merchant class slowly buying its freedom from bankrupt crusading nobility. Status currency being debased.

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      5. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 3 May 2020

        Second chapter is discussion of the deep corruption of the Church in the years following France king Philip IV “the fair” takedown of pope boniface and the papacy moving to Avignon and basically turning into a sort of super corrupt Davos set.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palais_des_Papes …

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      6. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 4 May 2020

        Learned about Simony. The church was basically a deep state for sale. Purely commercial enterprise. Offices being sold to highest bidder, illiterates being appointed to clergy, all sins washable with money. They were practically asking heaven for a plague.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simony 

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      7. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 5 May 2020

        This book is not recommended if you want reassurance that we’ve been through worse and returned to normal. It’s building up like a doomsday story and we already know how bad it gets. Spoiler alert: doompic.twitter.com/ZRqNTYO4ld

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      8. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 5 May 2020

        Life for commoners sounds horrible even before the Black Death. Caught between a venal church and a crappy nobility being invaded by a social climbing merchant class. No wonder they clung as fervently to the idea of an afterlife as we do to the idea of a reopening.

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      9. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 6 May 2020

        Everybody hates the church in the 14th century it seems. Including reformers within who think it ought to reflect Jesus ideal of poverty. Franciscans excommunicated for such ideas. Kings resist Pope’s right to crown emperor. Merchants change at silly economics.

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      10. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 6 May 2020

        Weird just how much centralized power the church laid claim to, and with corrupt staff at that, purely on the strength of a claim to gate-keeping salvation. Interesting contrast to Hinduism, where there was an equally strong claim but no central Pope making the claim.

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      11. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 6 May 2020

        Whoa. This is insane.pic.twitter.com/oPFBI6rJQw

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      12. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 6 May 2020

        Long section on how extremely communal guild life was. Capitalists pretty much owned towns and had captured city governments. Town and rural poor equally oppressed. Also TIL about 1320 Pastoureaux that began as rebellion against oppression and ended in slaughter of Jews.

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      13. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 6 May 2020

        The 14th century really couldn’t come to terms with the necessity of interest, and the result was antisemitism as a sort of economic doctrine. Christian usury prohibitions grounded in economic illiteracy made periodic slaughter of Jews necessary to balance the budget?

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      14. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 7 May 2020

        Chapter 2 ends on the cusp of war between France and England with the father of our hero drawn in via complicated marriage alliances, dowries, military commitments in exchange for money etc. Our hero Enguerrand de Coucy, who I will call Eng, is born.

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      15. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 7 May 2020

        Chapter 3 is a pretty thorough portrait of medieval life in Eng’s milieu. Reads like a history text. Lots of details on child-rearing, education, economic life etc. No big surprises so this is a bit boring. It does surprisingly resemble cartoon views (Monty Python, King Arthur)

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      16. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 7 May 2020

        Life kinda sucks, the world doesn’t change, progress is not a concept, everybody is waiting to either die or the second coming when there is a lottery chance it will suck less. Knights must learn how to fight, rude, and... hawk? Why hawks? Toy drones of the time I guess.

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      17. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 7 May 2020

        Familiar names popping up: Petrarch, Dante, Ockham. The whole description sounds fairly close to Indian history of the time, which I know better. Just slightly more technologically advanced, and significantly better peasant/commoner conditions. Life is rough. Wouldn’t want it.

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      18. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 7 May 2020

        “Yet if the [chivalric] code was but a veneer over violence, greed, and sensuality, it was nevertheless an ideal, as Christianity was an ideal, toward which man’s reach, as usual, exceeded his grasp.” Great sentence.

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      19. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 10 May 2020

        Well, with a quick account of the Battle of Crécy and the start of the 100 years war, we’re officially into the plague chapters. Tuchman moves very fast through this, 1948-49. It is depressingly and uncannily similar to what we’re going through.

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      20. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 10 May 2020

        Way more death of course, but similar dynamics: poor dying more, animals running wild, labor shortage,... “The sense of a vanishing future created a kind of dementia of despair.”

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      21. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 10 May 2020

        “Fields went uncultivated, spring seed unsown. Second growth with nature’s awful energy crept back over cleared land, dikes crumbles, salt water reinvaded and soured the lowlands”

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      22. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 10 May 2020

        One big difference: they had no idea how it spread. Didn’t even suspect fleas and rats apparently. Though rats were associated with pestilence generally (the Pied Piper story is from 1284 it seems). That’s our one big advantage. Perhaps the main one.

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      23. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 10 May 2020

        Both bubonic and pneumonic plagues were present together so the miasma theory was not entirely wrong even though they thought it was stinky air and malign astrology that caused air transmission. They also believed in sight transmission. Must have been total FUD.

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      24. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 10 May 2020

        The official explanation was an astrological one from the professors of the University of Paris. They were widely translated, leading to growth in national languages as a positive effect. Kinda like internet today I guess.

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      25. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 11 May 2020

        Lots of prayer and religious life cleansing. “When it became clear that these [penitence] processions were sources of infection, [Pope] Clement VI had to prohibit them” (initially authorized by the pope).

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      26. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 12 May 2020

        Long section on predictable antisemitism followed by fascinating but, new to me, about how flagellants were a heretical movement that challenged the intercessionary authority of priests by claiming their self-flagellation as saving humanity/Christianityhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellant 

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      27. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 13 May 2020

        Apparently very few broad generalizations can be made about the effects of the Black Death. Fir every claimed effect in one place there was an opposite one elsewhere. Labor shortage and stronger peasant/artisan position was the strongest broad effect. Inflation/wages spiral.

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      28. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 14 May 2020

        The church got generally richer through legacies and Clement VI 1350 jubilee, where you could get absolutions fir money. But it grew much more hated. I guess the seeds of the reformation were planted here.

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      29. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 14 May 2020

        TIL about mendicant orders which some in the church tried to have bannedhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendicant_orders …

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      30. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 14 May 2020

        Tuchman argues that dissatisfaction with the meaninglessness of the suffering, with no changes for the better, is what unleashed the social forces of change. Argues it created modern man, hungry for a better answer than mysterious will of god.

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      31. Venkatesh Rao (田 )‏ @vgr 14 May 2020

        Interesting: in the wake of the Black Death, both England and France raised knightly orders nostalgically modeled on King Arthur’s round table, with the practical purpose of preventing independent withdrawal by feudals in battle. Chivalry was already a fandom larp in 1351.

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