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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      I kinda approve of this btw. It’s a more systematic version of being canceled by the mob, but in controlled, reversible, due-process way. There’s going to be algorithmic bias issues of course, to be fixed. But this line of tech was inevitable. A question of when, not if.

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      If not covid something else would have driven tech in this direction.

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      Link if you don’t know what I’m talking about:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-10/apple-google-bring-covid-19-contact-tracing-to-3-billion-people …

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      I mean there’s a lot of obvious ways to try to game these and ways to defend against gaming, but the basic idea is feasible: Eg: Leave phone at home —> require phone for entry/cross-check credit cards or other id artifacts, or machine learn unusual patterns

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      Once infrastructure is in place, you can use it in more flexible ways. “Yellow alert! A super-spreader event just happened at Starbucks and you were exposed. This block is now under quarantine. If you leave before test-sweep and all-clear, you will face a fine up to $200”

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      This might sound dystopian etc but it’s not actually that different from fare enforcement on public transit. And roads/public spaces ARE public transit. You should expect to have freedoms curtailed a bit if you choose to use them.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      The way to ensure civil liberties is not to try and prevent such opt-in systems but make them locally bounded, and with larger unsurveiled free spaces outside of denser urban areas. You can pass freely back and forth if you accept reentry screening. The city block as a clean room

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      This stuff is not hard to imagine, architect and build in MVP ways. What’s hard is hard-coding the fundamental shared values in auditable ways, giving people meaningful opt-outs/alts, and most importantly, govern and evolve in accountable ways for the long term.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      The funniest thing for all thise panicking about this vision is... you basically already accept far more intrusive surveillance for your online wanderings, and banal versions of this in paper-based mobility governance (passports, tickets, boarding passes, physical fences).

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    10. Maybe: Th𐃏mas Lisankie‏ @TomLisankie Apr 12
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      It’s different because now it can be logged who you were in direct contact with in meatspace at any given time, even if you turn off GPS

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      Already possible with ubiquitous video surveillance in most modern cities

      11:36 AM - 12 Apr 2020
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        2. Maybe: Th𐃏mas Lisankie‏ @TomLisankie Apr 12
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          Sure, but it’s way more of a pain in the ass to reconstruct that. Now it’s a database query.

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        3. Maybe: Th𐃏mas Lisankie‏ @TomLisankie Apr 12
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          Easier to abuse if finding out the info is trivial

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