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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      The way to ensure civil liberties is not to try and prevent such opt-in systems but make them locally bounded, and with larger unsurveiled free spaces outside of denser urban areas. You can pass freely back and forth if you accept reentry screening. The city block as a clean room

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      This stuff is not hard to imagine, architect and build in MVP ways. What’s hard is hard-coding the fundamental shared values in auditable ways, giving people meaningful opt-outs/alts, and most importantly, govern and evolve in accountable ways for the long term.

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      The funniest thing for all thise panicking about this vision is... you basically already accept far more intrusive surveillance for your online wanderings, and banal versions of this in paper-based mobility governance (passports, tickets, boarding passes, physical fences).

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      In practice, mobility politics tends to boil down to a negotiation around “you decide what mobility governance tech to use, I’ll decide where you can put it” Trump’s wall is an example of such a negotiation. He got what... 3 new miles of wall? 93 total, 90 replacing old wall.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      Here, the “existing wall” or green zone fences is all area under ticketing or permission control: transit, airports, buildings with metal detectors. I’d guess 10% of “public” built environment in a modern city is restricted mobility policed by fences, walls, and ticketing/passes

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      Venkatesh Rao Retweeted Mark Kornblum

      Good question. Probably local public transit agencies of cities will take this on as expanded scope. In fact a near-future sci-fi thing I’m working on, I imagined a vastly expanded Clipper authority (the Bay Area transit smart card system). https://twitter.com/mkornblum/status/1249398063367467009?s=21 …https://twitter.com/mkornblum/status/1249398063367467009 …

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      Mark Kornblum @mkornblum
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      Who administers this? Government? Is it a new agency or does this become a homeland security thing? 🤔
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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      I’m surprised people are surprised so many of us are so ready to trot out such scenarios and already have some literacy in the ideaspace. Do you people not read/watch any scifi? This stuff is tropey to the point it’s actually hard to write new sci-fi that goes beyond.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      The hard challenge of all this is actually underlying moral foundations. The 4 options that already exist: Basic paternalism (right/left Big Brothers) Libertarian paternalism (nudgeology) Cancel culture (anarchic sousveillance) Cookie culture (surveillance capitalism)

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    9. Kevin Webb‏ @kvnweb Apr 12
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      Replying to @vgr

      this. spent the last ~two years grappling with this exact framework and how it's being applied to urban transport. curious if you've followed @mslaurabliss' reporting on what's happening in LA?

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    10. Kevin Webb‏ @kvnweb Apr 12
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      Replying to @kvnweb @vgr @mslaurabliss

      if not, start here:https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2020/02/los-angeles-transportation-data-mobility-scooter-mds-uber/606178/ …

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Apr 12
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      Replying to @kvnweb @mslaurabliss

      Yes I have a friend involved in the effort, it’s hilarious 😆

      11:35 AM - 12 Apr 2020
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        1. Kevin Webb‏ @kvnweb Apr 12
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          Replying to @vgr @mslaurabliss

          Kevin Webb Retweeted The Wall Street Journal

          indeed! or at least it was, until it starting creating precedent in federal courts:https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1242670053293797378 …

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          Uber sued Los Angeles, alleging that its real-time data sharing requirement violates state and federal law, including the Fourth Amendment https://on.wsj.com/3bmiZOk 
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