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Conversational account. For work follow @ribbonfarm, @breaking_smart, @artofgig. Tweets are 90% vacuous views, apathetically held. Mediocritopian. IKEA builder.

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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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      Current ranking of who I want to model my Act 2 after. I’m 2-15 older than any of them at the point in the story (1950) they’re at right now. Campbell (1910, 40) Asimov (1920, 30) Heinlein (1907, 43) Hubbard (1911, 39) Similar fork in road though. Subculture —> mainstream leap

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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      Might seem like a weird comparison, but it seems reasonable actually. At that point, pulp sci-fi was about as marginal a subculture as insight-porn blogosphere is today. These 4 were not famous then the way they are now. But by 1950 each had the option to go mainstream or go home

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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      Unit economics sidebar. There’s an episode where Astounding tries to go up in quality from cheap digest to glossy “slicks” but fails to gain a foothold there, and goes back down to cheapie digest. Equivalent of serious blog trying to go magazine-scale in 2012 say.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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      Today we don’t realize this, but all print is not the same. Print saw its own Moore’s law type cost curve, with each gen creating a cheaper class of media if you could fit the rigid specs to make unit economics work for you. Pulp fiction got its name from wood-pulp cheap paper.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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      Think of pulp vs slick/glossy kinda like Wordpress blogs vs mainstream media websites built on bespoke web publishing stacks. Heinlein in 1950 trying to break out of astounding and into glossies is like blogger trying to get a New Yorker byline today.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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      So where are we now, circa 1950? Campbell is parlaying nuke-age attention on SF into mainstream influence Heinlein is using YA fiction to slingshot into mainstream, and trying to get foot into space program Hubbard has found cultish feet Asimov starting to flex Reading on...

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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      On a darker note, all 4 have woman trouble. Campbell’s wife Dona has left him, Heinlein’s wife Leslyn is out as an alcoholic, Hubbard has hooked up with clingy 18 year old he now wants to dump, Asimov is a mildly frustrated newlywed turning into a low-intensity harasser.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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      Still wrapping my head around the fact that letters to magazines = blog comments. Magazines printed addresses of letter writers so sliding into dms = writing to other fans. Early fan conferences *were* the basic Facebook groups and slacks. Not escalations from something else.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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      Magazines also ran reader polls like we do Twitter polls. The community dynamics, rivalries among different kinds of fan clubs etc all sound very, very familiar. We just do it all online now. It truly is astounding (heh!) all this rhymes with blogosphere of last decade.

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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      To us all this sounds very heavyweight. But back then this *was* the lightest-weight, cheapest way to get anything done. Fans coordinated regional meetups and stuff through *postcards* not even phone! Stamp = 3c, postcard = SMS, letter = email Local phone call = 5c

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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      Imagine how you’d form a group then 1. Postcards to letter writers you “follow” 2. Exchange of letters 3. Bunch of postcards to invite people to regional meetup 4. Asimov might show up 5. Escalate to phone for locals you meet more often on short notice/impromptu

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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          Phone was also limited because a) landlines b) answering machines weren’t yet big (first commercial failure = 1949, first successful ones ~1960) Local postcards would have been easier, and as quick if high chance phone wouldn’t be answered it you had to leave a message anyway

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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          This all feels alien to me though I did grow up in landline/postcard/letter era. We did pen-pal crap in the 80s (my sister had one, I never bothered). Long-distance was letter-writing. “Trunk” calls were too expensive except for emergencies. Local phone was also sparingly used.

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        4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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          In general I did very little non-locally except join a kids club sponsored by our regional newspaper which sent me a dumbass badge, membership card, and some stickers. I had one letter published in a comic book I subscribed to (more stickers as reward). Circa 1982-86 I think.

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        5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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          Okay now we’re at dawn of Scientology, 1950 or so. Hubbard has convinced Campbell his stuff is real. They’re experimenting with hypnosis, regression to past lives, scopolamine, barbiturates. Terminology like engrams, clear, preclear, auditing is coming together. Dianetics time!

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        6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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          Hubbard picked up his shtick via disciple of Alesteir Crowley, english occultist. This is outside scope of the book, but clearly occult and SoCal new age religion scene was the other parent of Scientology if sci-fi was the first parent.

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        7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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          Heh, early Scientology is reminding me of current blogosphere interest in trauma. Question is who’s the Hubbard of this crowd? A charismatic older blogger with vaguely occult leanings and a line in technobabble-infused talk therapy and a self-improvement/perfection protocol? 🤔

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        8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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          Oh shit, I know exactly where to map this. Won’t say it out aloud to avoid beef provocation.

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        9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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          Gonna skip over Scientology bit in my live-tweeting.

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        10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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          Okay maybe a snippet or two. This bit made me actually lolpic.twitter.com/aM9w0jLW3r

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        11. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Mar 1
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          The book’s understanding of Wiener and cybernetics is weak. Planting a Gell-Mann amnesia flag for this bit. Like most outsiders he credits Wiener with way too much. He was at best a sort of P. T. Barnum of control theory with a few contributions.

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          Venkatesh Rao Retweeted Venkatesh Rao

          Fixing break in threading https://twitter.com/vgr/status/1234303017299542023?s=21 …https://twitter.com/vgr/status/1234303017299542023 …

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          Oh shit Shannon got roped into it too? pic.twitter.com/mwJMwf0rX2
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