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This is my conversational account. For my work follow @ribbonfarm, @breaking_smart, @artofgig. Tweets are 90% vacuous views, apathetically held. Mediocritopian.

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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 20
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      It is fascinating that space fiction was inspiring the technological progress narrative for ~90y before Sputnik, and really boomed during a severe depression.

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 20
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      Right now feels like 1929 in a few ways. Great Weirding instead of Great Depression. So for a naive extrapolation we should look ~64y back for inspiring visions ~36y out (so 1956 ideas about 2056 reality, but wildly extrapolated to 2200 imagining weird science)

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 20
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      Conveniently, 1957 was Sputnik translating space from fantasy to reality. So we need an unrealistic and primitive (socially, technically) fantasy from 1956 or so. Hmm.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 20
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      Hmm. Science fiction was already a mature genre by then, with all modern subgenres already in place. Probably need to look elsewhere 🤔

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 20
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      Though... you could argue that sociological science fiction began with Asimov’s foundation. It’s set in space and grows out of a robotics-and-longevity world that abandons robots and longevity, but is a speculative temporality technology thats *not* time travel.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 20
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      This is kinda why I’m obsessed with it. Asimov only wrote one time travel story proper (End of Eternity) and used it to destroy time travel tech in his extended universe. Though Pebble in the Sky features an accidental time jump, it’s not a key element. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_Eternity …

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 20
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      So let’s say Foundation is to social engineering fiction as Verne is to space fiction. Verne’s Impey Barbicane (who conceives the moonshot gun) is like Hari Seldon. Psychohistory is pre-chaos theory the way gun-launched space missions are pre-rocketry.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 20
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      Notably both are academic/professor/nerd types. So to do a Buck Rogers style reboot of social engineering temporality fiction, with a real post-chaos-theory psychohistory, we need a different kind of protagonist. And a different milieu, not a pair of foundations. 🤔

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 20
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      This story I wrote in 2016 was me throwing my hat in the ring, and the stake in the ground for my temporality fiction extended universe (currently at 3 novel length outlines). I have a few more parts kinda almost written and ready to go.https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2016/08/25/the-liminal-explorer-of-the-adjacent-possible/ …

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 20
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      I’m considering starting a new paid email newsletter to serialize it and the rest of my temporality fiction extended universe. Ribbonfarm is not quite right for it. Asimov wrote most of his stuff in the golden age of serialized fiction in magazines likes Amazing/Astounding.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 20
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      Serialization is a really underrated way to do fiction. For some reason modern publishing has convinced us novels should be written in private and then released all at once to be binge read. Dunno why. Marketing simplicity?

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 20
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          Dickens serialized, Asimov serialized... good enough precedents for me. I doubt we’ll get back an era of golden age style magazines. That energy has moved to TV. But email newsletters. Hmm. Really tempting place to experiment with serialization again.

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 20
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          I find I really can’t do more than about 15,000 words without a publishing feedback loop and I’ve decided not to fight it. The one long book I wrote without such a loop (Tempo) was based on earlier “serialized” academic work produced as talks/papers so doesn’t count.

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        2. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim Feb 21
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          Fanfics and other non-published fiction have kept this model, and it seems to work well for them. All you need to do is abandon the dead-tree publication model.

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          I was going to bring this up. Also web novels like what show up in Japan - and those have a regular route to being rewritten as (light) novels too.

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          risk transfer: you write the whole novel on spec and pitch it to the publisher; only repeat successes get advances

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          http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/2005-10-11-DoctorowThemepunks …

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          http://web.archive.org/web/20110809073627/http://www.asimovs.com/Nebulas03/Lobsters.shtml …

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