"empirical" Why do you think so many Christians reject science or see Christianity and science as opposed? You may be thinking "best case" while VGR is thinking "common case."
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Replying to @donkyourenemies @vgr
I think VGR is (correctly) thinking of American popular Christianity, which is basically Capitalist packaging for some modern-era philosophical ideas with no roots in the tradition, and which in fact violate it. Together they function like a (sociological) cult.
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I've never met someone of a totalising worldview who enjoys the radical fallibilism of science (its openness to correction). Cultists want certainty, and they'll have it.
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But this sort of thing is pathological, and it's not the common case. For the greater part of history (including today), any historically informed orthodoxy is completely at odds with the current typical form of American evangelical/charismatic Protestantism.
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Replying to @arlynculwick @vgr
AFAICT VGR is talking about way more than a single religion, and about more ideologies and worldviews than most people even consider religion.
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Replying to @donkyourenemies @vgr
Indeed, but I think his statement is false for Christianity.
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I actually think he's got a good point, Christianity is rejection of the finality of death-Christ was resurrected, everyone will go to heaven/hell, loved ones are looking down on us, etc. Not everyone worships for those reasons, but it's a critical belief of Christianity
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You're right that that's a mainstream Christian belief, but the funny thing is that it, like a lot of other things I find uncontroversially wrong about Christianity, stem from neoplatonism, which wormed its way into the tradition through fraud (c.f. the Pseudo-Dionysius).
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Replying to @arlynculwick @crsndrsn and
One (of many) non-neoplatonic Christian ways to deal with death is to take it as an empirical, real-world embodiment of the (speculative) Trinity, which is characterised as self-sacrificial relations of love. So life and death together function as love.
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Replying to @arlynculwick @crsndrsn and
This isn't escapism ("belief in the benevolence of things you cannot control") it's seeing (empirically) the fact that to live is to depend upon the death of other things, every day. In the real world. It uses this experience to define "love."
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Yeah I wouldn’t characterize death/resurrection as the escapism vector of Christianity. They don’t actually try to escape that despite having weird beliefs about it. They pay their belief taxes on that front.
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Replying to @vgr @arlynculwick and
The escapism is probably something around justice. Most religions seem to land in that neighborhood.
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As in, theodicy? ("how can God both permit suffering/evil and be just/good?)
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