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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 13
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      Pseudospeciation is an ugly tribalist move to dehumanize the outgroup. But what do you do when individuals and groups start doing it to themselves to reap the benefits of animal non-culpability? Call it auto-pseudospeciation? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudospeciation …

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 13
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      Not sure what the reasonable test for acting human is. I think it means owning your actions and all consequences, right up to boundary of where others freedom of action begins. Nobody "makes" anybody else do anything past age 5. But if you insist I made you do something, so be it

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 13
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      I'm trying to reduce this thread to a single paradox contradiction. I think it's something like: what do you do when you want to attribute more moral agency to someone than they'll acknowledge having themselves?

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 13
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      I'm reminded of the oddest conversation about vegetarianism I've had, with an Egyptian. Most meat eaters accept moral agency/culpability that might be involved in choosing to eat meat. But this guy's response was "but the Koran tells us to eat everything!" Cracked me up.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 13
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      I'm vegetarian leaning vegan where/when I can, but not evangelical about it, and don't try to convert others. Meat eaters who raise the topic with me accept their agency in choosing to eat meat 99% of the time. Denying such agency via appeal to religious duty is...odd

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 13
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      People who accept their moral agency are generally capable of surprising you. Sufficient, but not necessary condition. This includes you being able to surprise yourself. If you cannot surprise yourself you have an animal sense of yourself. Why is surprisability key here?

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 13
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      The Internet of Beefs, IoB, is people who can’t be surprised either by themselves or by others. Tell: if you can mock somebody you’re predicting them. If you’re still mad at them it’s because they’re not accepting culpability where you want them to.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 13
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      This means even where you and I agree that something has gone wrong rather than as designed by somebody, nobody is accepting responsibility. It’s a “who owns this externality” argument.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 13
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      If the only consequences of your actions that you own are predictable ones, and all externalities are attributable to other people’s (predictable and mockable) misguided actions, are you really acknowledging any agency at all?

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 13
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      Real agency results in 2 kinds of surprise 1. Unexpected material consequences 2. Unexpected responses from others with agency You’re not accepting your own humanity and attendant material and moral agency if you don’t act in ways that generate BOTH kinds of surprise.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 13
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      If no unintended consequences are ever the result of what you chose to do, you are viewing your agency like an animal’s. If people never respond to you in surprising ways it means something a bit more complex.

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        1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Feb 13
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          It is some combination of: a) you’re only pushing their animal buttons b) they’re like you, and only have animal buttons c) you’ve blinded yourself to their surprising responses IoB is b vs b.

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