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    1. QC‏ @QiaochuYuan Jan 11
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      four shelves for "goddess / feminine spirituality" any guesses how many there are for "god / masculine spirituality" lolpic.twitter.com/7HfvcJpvwU

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 11
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      Umm. That’s every traditional religious book and the entirety of most organized religious institutions and theology schools/seminaries. It’s hardly underrepresented.

      3 replies 0 retweets 27 likes
    3. Visakan Veerasamy‏ @visakanv Jan 12
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      I think you’re talking past each other here Goddess/feminine spirituality is a sort of self-starter SMB spirituality thing, which is in defiance of orthodoxy I think QC is trying to talk about the “missing market” of the male equivalent heterodoxy

      6 replies 0 retweets 18 likes
    4. Visakan Veerasamy‏ @visakanv Jan 12
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      Visakan Veerasamy Retweeted a guy

      In practice, dudes do have their small/localised forms of communion, ritual, meaning - podcasts, video games, sports, alcohol, suits, beards, etc. List goes on. Sometimes dudes will do this sort of thing in a half-ironic way: https://twitter.com/apiecebyguy/status/1192621098116042752?s=21 …https://twitter.com/apiecebyguy/status/1192621098116042752 …

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      No Nut November has become a real religion... pic.twitter.com/gs02Jmc5j9
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    5. Visakan Veerasamy‏ @visakanv Jan 12
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      What QC is asking for is a very improbable niche-within-niche thing where the “unit economics” don’t work. Like 1% of straight guys might be interested in “Masculine Spirituality”, and the framing is so contaminated that barely anybody worth talking to is going to touch it

      2 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
    6. QC‏ @QiaochuYuan Jan 12
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      wasn't asking for it, think the disparity is interesting and i like these takes on it. i think you're right that the sort of corresponding masculine impulse expresses itself in other ways, no nut november is a legitimately good example

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    7. Visakan Veerasamy‏ @visakanv Jan 12
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      Ah yeah- Asking *about* / pointing out the absence of

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 12
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      The thing is, the original (feminine spirituality/goddess stuff) exists largely as an essentialized reaction to very essentialized masculine traditions, so it is a little odd to look for X in a reaction to X.

      2 replies 1 retweet 15 likes
    9. Nathaniel Eliot‏ @temujin9 Jan 12
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      Perhaps if you assume X1 and X2 are the same thing. I'm past the point of needing it now, but younger me was starving for some X1 action. X2 is a moral desert. But we don't have any good X1, just perpetual complaint that X2 is already ours and "to our benefit".

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    10. Nathaniel Eliot‏ @temujin9 Jan 12
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      I suspect -- as social mores around "men's work" disintegrate even further -- someone will start a genre to fill the void. No fucking clue what it'll look like, and I'm bad enough at "male" that I have no confidence I could figure it out.(But whoever does is gonna make bank.)

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 12
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      The emerging reality is: fitness for different kinds of work has become increasingly uncorrelated to gender thanks to automation. And work has always been the primary sorting variable, so that causes troubling. If we ever invent artificial wombs, gender will collapse entire.y.

      9:11 AM - 12 Jan 2020
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        2. Nathaniel Eliot‏ @temujin9 Jan 12
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          It will collapse further as a social construct. It's already entering the realm of art, like bread-making has for most American households. Witness the woke parade of genders, and the trad and red-pill reactions. All are gender-as-performance, rather than -as-sortable-essence.

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr Jan 12
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          My take is that what’s happening is the unbundling of binary gender, along lines that make nobody happy: trad or no grad, trans or cis, gay or straight, binary or fluid. So people are competing for “least frustrating rebundling” which is actually worse than just living unbundled

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        1. Visakan Veerasamy‏ @visakanv Jan 12
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          exciting

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