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    1. Erik Torenberg‏Verified account @eriktorenberg 21 Dec 2019
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      interesting. what is my thread wrong about or missing? is wokeness eating the world and meritocracy eating the world the same thing as "woke-and-anti-woke eating the world"? ...perhaps one point missing is that there is no center?

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Dec 2019
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      the point is that neither woke nor antiwoke is actually capable of eating the world, unlike software or markets (I think @TaylorPearsonMe is right long-term about his markets thesis), so the analogy falls apart on feasibility.

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Dec 2019
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      In practice what happens is that an institution that's entirely taken over by wokies tends to fail functionally before it can do serious damage these days (so that's different from communism in the 20s) while an institution that's pwned by the alt-right/alt-light/NRx is stillborn

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Dec 2019
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      Though both can do serious damage in the process of failing fast in today's environment, that's not the same thing as "eating" where a functional substitution process accompanies the destruction

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Dec 2019
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      Also, "meritocracy" is not the logical opposite of "woke", though it sometimes marches under that banner. The logical opposite is ethnonationalism, which is why it is very hard for those who take quillette-type positions at face value to avoid that slippery slope

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Dec 2019
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      And so, whether they like it or not, and no matter how much they whine about being smeared, the co-option of "classical liberalism" and "meritocracy" arguments into ethnonationalist apologia is hard to resist. The middle is not a tenable position while hedgehogs eat the world

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Dec 2019
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      The overall slight drift to the left (which you call new shapiro more left than old shapiro, yarvin calls cthulhu tending left, and MLK calls arc of history bending towards justice) is not the same thing as "more woke". Woke is a label for a specifically extremist new thing.

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    8. Erik Torenberg‏Verified account @eriktorenberg 22 Dec 2019
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      So what’s the best label for the phenomenon—Egalitarianism eats the world? Leftism? And is that contra markets/meritocracy? Re your point about wokeness collapsing, I’m not sure you can have a fully market driven society either before that leads to some sort of revolution.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 22 Dec 2019
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      my point with the entanglement thesis is that there isn't a there there with what you're trying to tag. It's bothsides or nothing. My best take on a bothsides version is hedgehogs are eating the world. It's a beef-only mindset that can only think in conflict mode

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 22 Dec 2019
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      which means it comes in pairs... (right/left, authoritarian/libertarian, globalist/nationalist etc) if you want to label only one side as a "thing" in isolation, you can only produce polemics, not insight (which is fine if that's what you want to do)

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 22 Dec 2019
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      Also, unclear why you're conflating markets and meritocracy as one thing. Markets are a big, real embodied thing that exist and have a history and evolutionary tendencies that can be analyzed. Meritocracy is a societal ideal that only "exists" in limited embodiments like SAT

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        1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 22 Dec 2019
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          My pre-weirding version of this argument, which was actually part of my sw-eating-world essays, was "principle of generative pluralism" (basically live-and-let-live in a more rigorous form). It is consistent with both software and markets eating world.https://breakingsmart.com/en/season-1/the-principle-of-generative-pluralism/ …

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