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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Dec 2019
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      @ZFTWARNING what is your read on what happened here John (see comments for unconfirmed details)https://twitter.com/rklueber28/status/1202722185690914817 …

      Venkatesh Rao added,

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      Cops just unloaded on an innocent UPS driver that was hostage in an armed robbery. You can watch the video for yourself pretty graphic. This happened in Miami. pic.twitter.com/OB3W35D3Dz
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    2. John Sullivan‏ @ZFTWARNING 6 Dec 2019
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      Venkstesh it is a tragedy by any assessment but rendering a judgement requires more than a short video clip and unconfirmed details. A comprehensive timeline of all actions of all parties, review of dispatch audio, all videos, and interviews of the officers involved... 1/

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    3. John Sullivan‏ @ZFTWARNING 6 Dec 2019
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      ...as well as witnesses and a complete forensic assessment of the incident scene, ballistics, and autopsies of all persons killed are needed to start an assessment. This ia complex after action assessment 2/

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    4. John Sullivan‏ @ZFTWARNING 6 Dec 2019
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      The review must look at tactical considerations, including what the involved officers knew and perceived. The actual threat to the hostage, known history of the suspects and their actions. It will also require looking at the actions and direction of watch commander overseeing 3/

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    5. John Sullivan‏ @ZFTWARNING 6 Dec 2019
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      ... In addition the agency policy, legal framework, and training of all personnel involved need to be assessed. Then the situation, the tactical decisions made in light of actual existing threat, policy and law can be determined. 4/

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    6. John Sullivan‏ @ZFTWARNING 6 Dec 2019
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      Fairness requires a deliberate and comprehensive inquiry before reaching a conclusion on tactical or legal dimensions of the incident. That assessment should be multi-disciplinary and subject to review. 5/5

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Dec 2019
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      That sounds like solid due process to my non-expert ears but it does seem like public trust in such processes has plummeted for a reason. The perception is that somehow these investigations never seem to either lead to changed tactics or find law enforcement at fault.

      10:35 PM - 6 Dec 2019
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        2. John Sullivan‏ @ZFTWARNING 6 Dec 2019
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          Yes, public trust has eroded in many cases. These after action reviews do yield accountability and refinement of tactics and training. The lessons learned are routinely incorporated into law enforcement training and future oversight and have been for decades. 1/

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        3. John Sullivan‏ @ZFTWARNING 6 Dec 2019
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          These reviews also result in discipline when warranted. Enhanced transparency is needed to ensure public confidence and trust. This is always a challenge for police-community relations. 2/2

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Dec 2019
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          There’s a principal-agent institutional problem here I suppose, where the only people competent to investigate are also the people with most at stake in the outcomes being in a particular direction. Unclear how to create public trust in the process.

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        3. John Sullivan‏ @ZFTWARNING 6 Dec 2019
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          That depends on the jurisdiction and agencies involved. It is common to have a non-involved agency conduct complex use of force reviews. In many cases office involved shootings are reviewed and investigated by district attorneys or prosecutors offices. 1/

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