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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 20 Nov 2019
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    About a quarter of the conditions in the DSM-IV seem to be charismatic conditions. Like charismatic megafauna. The stuff that people like to self diagnose and other-diagnose both close-up and at a distance. And construct pop narratives around.

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      1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 20 Nov 2019
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        There doesn’t seem to be meaningful “treatment” for most charismatic conditions in their non-extreme forms. Which makes me wonder whether they should be labeled conditions at all or treated as personality types. Maybe any personality type carried to an extreme is a condition.

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      1. Nils Gilman‏ @nils_gilman 21 Nov 2019
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        What ought to have been a Bridge Over the River Kwai “what have I done?!” moment for the antipsychiatric left was the realization that deinstitutionalization has de facto made the criminal justice system the primary point of social interface for the neurodivergent

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      2. Nils Gilman‏ @nils_gilman 21 Nov 2019
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        What I’d add is that most people are stably “sane” or “crazy” but fluidly move between these states. So-called sane people are ones who can either ringfence or channel their crazy, and don’t let it come to dominate all aspects of their lives.

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      3. Nils Gilman‏ @nils_gilman 21 Nov 2019
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        Another possibility is people who *do* let their crazy dominate their lives, but have so much charisma that they get others in their world to buy into their crazy — this is the “reality distortion field” of cult leaders, notably, including the current POTUS.

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      1. Nils Gilman‏ @nils_gilman 21 Nov 2019
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        Oh, I totally agree — and, they are indirectly responsible for one of the great social crimes of our time, namely the co-institutionalization of crazy people with criminals

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      1. David Dixon‏ @dixondaver 21 Nov 2019
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        Isn't this more of an uniquely American phenomenon, though? (The use of force part?)

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      1. Nils Gilman‏ @nils_gilman 21 Nov 2019
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        Whether personality traits manifest as good or bad depends mostly on context. Take hyper-competitiveness for example: extremely valuable trait in sports, but pathological in social circumstances that ask for softness & gentility. (Which is why so many pro athletes are assholes.)

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      1. Simon J Hogerzeil‏ @simonhogerzeil 21 Nov 2019
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        @vgr which disorders in particular?

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      2. Ed Singleton‏ @Singletoned 21 Nov 2019
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        I think psychology has an inherent problem that they look at people with chronic problems, identify similar symptoms, and name a condition. Then lots of other people say "Oh, I also have all those symptoms, I must also have x".

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        Psychologists are then in the quandry that the more people have a condition, the more money there is to be made.

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