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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 11 Nov 2019
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    Dunbar’s number needs to be retired as a concept. It’s turned into a meaningless trope under conditions of modernity. It’s not a meaningful social scaling breakpoint for anything in practice, and hasn’t been since the invention of agriculture and archetype based storytelling.

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      2. perlmutterlabs‏ @perlmutterlabs 11 Nov 2019
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        150 made men in most mafias, last I checked. Anecdotally, go much over, get a lot of turncoats.

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 11 Nov 2019
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        Dunbar’s number refers to how many other minds you can model not group size per se. Unless all made men only know w the other made men personally and nobody else, it’s not an example.

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      1. Michael F. Martin‏ @riemannzeta 11 Nov 2019
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        I don't know. You seem to be living in what is the far future for most folks.

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      2. Curried Apotheosis‏ @warpfork 11 Nov 2019
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        I find "Dunbar's number" still order-of-mag-approximation useful; and also useful as one of the few turns of phrase that reliably gets people to think about the fact communication changes as the numbers of participants goes up.

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      3. Curried Apotheosis‏ @warpfork 11 Nov 2019
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        As an order-of-mag approximation, I seem to see Something Changes in companies when they go above "about" that size. The exact number may be different -- say, lower for a remote company, because communication is just plain a little trickier to scale -- but it's close.

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      1. forvrin has his masters‏ @forvrin 11 Nov 2019
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        I view it as a constant, a variable that exists and explains on some level every law or custom that peoples have implemented in order to live in organized groups in excess of it. Ignoring it means your calculations are missing some level of precision. That might be acceptable?

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      1. Karthik‏ @karthiks 11 Nov 2019
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        we need a Yossarian Number to replace it

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      1. Biswajit Banerjee‏ @parresianz 11 Nov 2019
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        You probably mean that it's not constant but a function of other variables.

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      1. Ari Gesher‏ @arigesher 11 Nov 2019
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        Super useful for understanding early startup modalities, in my experience

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      1. grigori milov‏ @grigorimilov 11 Nov 2019
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        There is no way to retire a concept. You con stop using it, but it will keep popping up, whether you like it or not.

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