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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 Nov 2019
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    What are the earliest examples of what we’d recognize as postmodern irony in the wild? (ie not academic theorizing, but in speeches, mainstream fiction, media etc) I consider wrestling kayfabe to be a good modern representative example Reference exampleshttps://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-irony.html …

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      2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 Nov 2019
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        More examples. Irony really is the hardest sensibility to characterize even though we’re all immersed in it constantly now.https://literarydevices.net/irony/ 

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 Nov 2019
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        Most attempts at transcending irony seem to fail in ironic ways. Mostly it’s ineffectively reactionary sincerity in response to cynicism, rather than irony. A response that appears to not actually be sensitive to irony in the first place.

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      4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 Nov 2019
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        It’s postcampy. If camp is “failed seriousness” (Susan Sontag) postcamp is failed irony transcendence. The misreading of cynicism as irony is revealing. There is pure cynicism, and cynicism as a reductive perception of irony. Postcampies cant tell the two apart.

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      2. Adam Stead‏ @adamrickstead 7 Nov 2019
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        Tristram Shandy?

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      3. Nanakorobi Yaoki‏ @FrederickLittl3 7 Nov 2019
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        Beat me to it. Absolutely.

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      2. vaughn tan — new book on uncertainty now out‏ @vaughn_tan 7 Nov 2019
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        what makes irony postmodern? (genuine question)

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 Nov 2019
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        It's actually right up your alley. I think it is the rise of emergent complex technological systems that we think we created and have god-like agency over, but repeatedly confound our expectations of simple narrative causality.

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      1. 40% Evil Educator‏ @twneslscience 7 Nov 2019
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        I first thought of tall tales, but Wiki led me to the Babin Republic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babin_Republic …

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        Milo Minderbinder In Catch 22 contracting missions for the Germans, fighting on both sides in the battle of Orvieto and bombing his own squadron at Pianosa

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        Some parts of the trystero in the crying lot of 49 by Pynchon and obviously the construction of the V rocket by a British subsidiary of her German parent company during WWII

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