To first order, the degree to which your humanity is acknowledged by societal consensus is almost perfectly modeled by the territorial extent through which you can move pretty freely. I think this is why I react so strongly against walls/borders.
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Prisoners, homeless people swept back periodically into "bad" blocks, refugees, developing country people penned into weak-passport zones, etc etc.
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In a way, nativism, property rights, and other forms of territoriality are a red herring. People with power to claim exclusive power over territory X generally have a roaming range FAR bigger than X. If you have a US passport and enough $, your roaming range is most of the world.
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Territorial claims are entirely about restricting the roaming range of others. Territorialists would scream bloody murder if you told them "fine you can have territory X so long as you never leave it"
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Guesting/hosting protocols and reciprocal roaming rights are where the meaning of "human" is legislated via de facto patterns of mutual recognition of roaming rights. Anyone you wouldn't allow in to territory you claim exclusively is in some mild way, your prisoner.
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Like, I have a nice apartment in a big metro. The cops and firemen and landlord have some rights to bust in without my permission. With respect to everybody else in the world, I'd let in almost anybody under particular conditions. So who do I "imprison" by claiming the apartment?
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We are all simultaneously prisoners and prison wardens. There are people who we wouldn't let past our exclusivity claim borders under any circumstances, and places we would't be allowed in under any circumstances. Without threat of violence in both cases.
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You could construct a ratio of some sort: (area you control)*(number of people who you would keep out under any circumstances)/(area controlled by people who wouldn't let you in under any circumstances).
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Territorialityl is really an inhumane way to engineer humanity recognition. There's got to be a better way to let the mentally ill, diseased, physically disabled population live as best as they can without the rest of us effectively treating them like literal garbage to sweep-up.
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loving this thread, but let me point out that you can flip this. As a woman, I'm extremely cautious about letting ANYONE into my apt, including eg nicely-dressed well-spoken person I've just been on a first date with. Apt can then be seen as the limited space I am a prisoner of+
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Of course. Threat perception is subjective. Even as a guy, I’d be wary of letting in anyone obviously capable of overpowering me.
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