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This is my conversational account. For my work follow @ribbonfarm, @breaking_smart, @artofgig. Tweets are 90% vacuous views, apathetically held. Mediocritopian.

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    1. Brian Skinner‏ @gravity_levity 15 Oct 2019
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      I think people (like me) should be free to do shoddy scholarship, to invent bullshit models or engage in speculation way outside their area of expertise. Most of the time this will result in useless work that makes no real contribution. But on rare occasion ...

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    2. Brian Skinner‏ @gravity_levity 15 Oct 2019
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      ... there will be something unusually creative or valuable. We should welcome all possibilities for that, no matter how unlikely. The only crime a researcher can commit is pretending that shoddy work isn't shoddy, or speculative work isn't speculative.

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    3. Brian Skinner‏ @gravity_levity 15 Oct 2019
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      Posing, or refusing to admit the limitations of what you've done is (in my mind) the one great crime in research, that I think should not be tolerated. But I have no problem with people being naive, speculative, and/or lazy, so long as they admit it.

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    4. zpenoyre‏ @zpenoyre 15 Oct 2019
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      very much agreed :) - I hope the fact that I really appreciate you having done this work comes through!

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    5. zpenoyre‏ @zpenoyre 15 Oct 2019
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      One more point, neither for or against the case you set out here - you may want to be careful with words like lazy, they tend to be ableist - doing a *full* literature search is hard, disproportionately for some groups (e.g. dyslexics, ASD and ADD)

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    6. zpenoyre‏ @zpenoyre 15 Oct 2019
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      and non-native language speakers!! and people without institutional access to journals, or even reliable internet (and probably many more)

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    7. Brian Skinner‏ @gravity_levity 15 Oct 2019
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      Your point is well-taken, and to be honest for these reasons the only person I ever really feel comfortable accusing of laziness is myself

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    8. zpenoyre‏ @zpenoyre 15 Oct 2019
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      that's very fair - i don't think there's any external offense in what you said - but I question if it's even a fair put-down on yourself*? ascribing something to laziness is, paradoxically, lazy *you of course are the final arbiter of this

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    9. Brian Skinner‏ @gravity_levity 15 Oct 2019
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      This is getting intense. I might have to pull in @vgr, my expert laziness consultant.

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 15 Oct 2019
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      Laziness is good. I like Shalizi and Tozier but I don’t buy their theory in that note at all. I’m in favor of aggressively ignorant rediscovery/reinvention (much more robust guarantor of QA than formal replication). Full lit survey is an especially dumb burden on preprints.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 15 Oct 2019
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      I have a long rant about this is a Facebook group somewhere. This is one of the reasons I gave up on academia and turned to blogging. It is perversely hostile to rediscovery.

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 15 Oct 2019
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          You don’t actually know if your phase transition result is already known in mathematical sociology do you? The lazy but principled way to diligence this paper is to send it to a friendly mathematical sociologist to vet, and then collaborate/co-author to beef it up if needed.

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        3. Alex Boland‏ @interpretantion 15 Oct 2019
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          "Repetition is not generality"

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        2. Swaroop Panda‏ @_swarooppanda 15 Oct 2019
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          Would you suggest that rediscovery is an answer to the replication crisis?

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 15 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @_swarooppanda @gravity_levity @zpenoyre

          Part of the answer yes

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        2. Maynard Handley‏ @handleym99 15 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @vgr @gravity_levity @zpenoyre

          I don't know that this fault is in "academia" as opposed to one of the "humanity" pathologies. Humans seem obsessed (in a way that makes no sense if you understand technology) with who invented/discovered something first... eg so many dumb "company X just copied Y" args...

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        3. zpenoyre‏ @zpenoyre 15 Oct 2019
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          Perhaps an attempt at the most pure form of viral reproduction - to attach oneself at the root of some grand meme Or perhaps to keep the lights on

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