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    1. Charles Neill  🥴‏ @ccneill 5 Oct 2019
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      This @breaking_smart episode might be the most interesting take on end-to-end encryption I've heard yet: as an enforcer of "charisma neutrality", which @vgr likens to something like net neutrality, but against demagoguery https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-smart/id1469602012?i=1000452346677 … https://overcast.fm/+SuMmRmJt8 

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 5 Oct 2019
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      😎

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    3. Mike Elias  💡 📈‏ @harmonylion1 5 Oct 2019
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      If I understand correctly, E2E takes out the group of idiots in the middle, which is the leverage used by demagogues to control the tide of public discourse. Without idiots in the middle, worldviews are shaped by private convo, and thus only organic support for ideas can arise?

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 5 Oct 2019
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      Well you’re conflating the technical man-in-middle of a p2p channel and the middle of the crowd in an open pool medium, but in a way that’s kinda right for both. In the former, idiot-in-middle might archive cleartext insecurely for hackers to steal.

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    5. Mike Elias  💡 📈‏ @harmonylion1 5 Oct 2019
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      Do you have a particular interest in promoting charisma neutrality? Because it sounds sort of like what I call cultural viscosity (or lack thereof)pic.twitter.com/LwZHZTv8DA

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 5 Oct 2019
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      Yeah does sound similar. I think my position is viscosity is here for good and at least we can try to not let one party monopolize the capability to drive viscous dynamics.

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    7. Mike Elias  💡 📈‏ @harmonylion1 5 Oct 2019
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      Do you think this power can/should be totally “democratized”?

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 5 Oct 2019
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      It already is

      10:14 PM - 5 Oct 2019
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        2. Charles Neill  🥴‏ @ccneill 5 Oct 2019
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          There have always been ways of increasing the costs of surveillance. They're never perfect tools, but they serve a useful function - providing the choice of privacy for any message worth less to the attacker than the cost of circumvention. Anything worth more ~will be brokenpic.twitter.com/ee8Kt9WkJq

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        3. Charles Neill  🥴‏ @ccneill 5 Oct 2019
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          As @vgr points out, the endpoints aren't unhackable. But they're also not trivially hackable by just anyone

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        1. Mike Elias  💡 📈‏ @harmonylion1 5 Oct 2019
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          Oh right

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