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This is my conversational account. For my work follow @ribbonfarm, @breaking_smart, @artofgig. Tweets are 90% vacuous views, apathetically held. Mediocritopian.

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    1. Arlyn Culwick‏ @arlynculwick 2 Oct 2019
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      No, not human. Just process. Kinda the same as wondering if the legal system is the public.

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 2 Oct 2019
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      I'm thinking one level above, the matrix of relationships among institutions, so the public would be (for eg) what occupies the space between legal system, market, firms etc.

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    3. 𝑅𝑢𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑇ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑠‏ @MrMeritology 2 Oct 2019
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      Look up “institutional field” in the writing of Woody Powell and other Sociologists.

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    4. 𝑅𝑢𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑇ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑠‏ @MrMeritology 2 Oct 2019
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      To label all interrelations between institutions as simply “public” seems to drain it of all causal and phenomenological significance.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 2 Oct 2019
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      Which is the intent of my proposition. i think that significance has been overstated. Much of the explanatory power of a "public" seems reducible to the institutional web. There's not a whole lot for the public qua public to do besides believe in grand narratives.

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    6. 𝑅𝑢𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑇ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑠‏ @MrMeritology 2 Oct 2019
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      Myself, I find “public” to be overly vague as an analytic construct. I assume that “public” is very important to some disciplines and theories. But I am not engaged in any of them.

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    7. 𝑅𝑢𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑇ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑠‏ @MrMeritology 2 Oct 2019
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      My assumption is that “public” is simply a catch-all category for everything in a social system that is not explicitly defined ontologically. (Also not private to agents)

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 2 Oct 2019
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      That's my loose position as well, and the hypothesis I'm entertaining right now is that a sufficiently complete inventory of the explicitly defined bits would leave nothing meaningful to be caught in the catch-all.

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    9. 𝑅𝑢𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑇ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑠‏ @MrMeritology 2 Oct 2019
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      In my dissertation, I present an ontology where “capabilities” of organizations and individuals are automata (ie computers with physical sensors+effectors). “Routines” are programs that run on “capabilities”. 1/2

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    10. 𝑅𝑢𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑇ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑠‏ @MrMeritology 2 Oct 2019
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      “Institutions” (functional aspect) are protocols (communication and interaction) that are enacted by compatible “capabilities + routines”. 2/2

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 2 Oct 2019
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      Okay I like that. It's basically the computational model of organization, with something like turing-completeness mapping to capability, and specific programs to functional aspect.

      3:01 PM - 2 Oct 2019
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        2. 𝑅𝑢𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑇ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑠‏ @MrMeritology 2 Oct 2019
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          Yes the benefit of this approach is to make a formal relationship between organization capabilities and computational complexity plus automata theory.

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        3. 𝑅𝑢𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑇ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑠‏ @MrMeritology 2 Oct 2019
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          One last point/rant I get irritated when I hear arguments against agency or cognition by collectives or organizations. (A collective is a temporary or empheral organization, however tight or loose) 1/2

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        1. 𝑅𝑢𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑇ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑠‏ @MrMeritology 2 Oct 2019
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          Yes – with emphasis on functional aspects (grounded in Pragmatism of Pierce and James). Doesn’t attempt to encompass other aspects of Institutions: identity, legitimacy, power, social cohesion, mythology/symbology,...

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