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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 2 Oct 2019
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    Simpler: are reified collective constructs like "community", "public" and "collective intention" real in a PKD sense? Ie do they go away when people stop believing in them, or are there parts that persist regardless of belief in them, that have no natural alternative locus?https://twitter.com/vgr/status/1179500375453257728 …

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    Ontology problem. Can "interinstitutionality" (by analogy to "intersubjectivity") be considered the same as "public"?
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      2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 2 Oct 2019
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        Ie, ontologically, are "community", "public", "commonwealth" etc. more like "god" that are entirely functions of belief in them (speaking as an atheist) or more like "ecosystem" that exist in a PKD sense independent of belief in them.

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 2 Oct 2019
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        "Market" is another one. You could think of all these as pure egregores, existing only as long as belief in them persists.

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      4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 2 Oct 2019
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        Another way to ask the PKD-reality question is: what remains if all the *people* go away. Before computers, you'd only have material realities, but now with AIs you have the possibility of interesting perpetuation of robotic behaviors that might constitute egregores.

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      2. Bravo Johnson‏ @BravoJohnson5 2 Oct 2019
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        Replying to @vgr

        Deleuze Guattari and Landa talk about assemblages. An assemblage emerges when a function emerges; ideally it is innovative and productive. The result of a productive assemblage is a new means of expression, a new territorial/spatial organisation, a new institution etc

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        Sick and tired about the function. Or that: Humanity = f (x) ; x = money.

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      1. Bravo Johnson‏ @BravoJohnson5 2 Oct 2019
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        The assemblage is supposed to produce a new reality, by making unexpected, connections or realizations

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      2. ian m hines‏ @imhinesmi 2 Oct 2019
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        If I, individually, stop believing in the notion of "community", communities will continue to exist. If we collectively stop believing in communities, then they will stop existing, at least in their current form.

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      3. ian m hines‏ @imhinesmi 2 Oct 2019
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        This is what I think the difference between delusion, social reality, and physical reality is: how the effect it has scales with the number of people believing in it (linear, nonlinear, constant, respectively)

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      2. Nathaniel Eliot‏ @temujin9 2 Oct 2019
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        Reality is what doesn't go away when _you_ stop believing in it. No codicil for whether others stop. This is extra true when there's no strong dominant culture to enforce subcultural conformance. God might not exist, but the godly and their obeisance to His rules certainly do.

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        "Public" is interinstitutionality plus a dominant culture regulating the exchange.

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