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    1. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin 21 Sep 2019
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      This also rhymes with Justin Murphy's idea that "communism" (which he thinks of in an unorthodox way" requires "accurate social valuation of individual characters".https://theotherlifenow.com/aristocracy-and-communism/ …

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    2. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin 21 Sep 2019
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      Murphy notes that "intentional communities" fail because people don't reward helpfulness and competence, or punish freeloading and sociopathy. The kinds of people who join those communities aren't even *trying* to do that, because they don't believe character matters.

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    3. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin 21 Sep 2019
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      Murphy's proposal is strangely simple: "Each person in a community agrees to assign status (i.e. distribute their respect) to all the others according to the others' contributions to the community, however each person honestly evaluates the others' contributions."

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Sep 2019
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      This is impractical for a reason I think you’re missing. Most transactions that go bad are not 2-way but 3-way or 4-way. There are intermediaries. Or the people paying are not the people supervising. Or the people working are not the owners of the capital good being used.

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    5. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin 21 Sep 2019
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      Sorry, I'm not following -- how does that change things?

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Sep 2019
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      It changes things because people who can spot bad faith behaviors are often not the ones able to punish it, and are under incentives to not complain. And the ones able to punish often have incentives to not know. The less power someone has, the more they get caught in such traps.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Sep 2019
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      A generally robust pattern here is the double Morton effect, aka survival of the stupidest. In n>2 games, stupidity can be adaptive, and thus can create room for malice to be adaptive as well. I haven’t worked out the full argument.https://www.science20.com/hammock_physicist/survival_stupidest-77846 …

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    8. Nathaniel Eliot‏ @temujin9 21 Sep 2019
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      I was taught this early by experience: never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Thanks for the game theoretic explanation of what exactly the hell kicked me, decades ago.

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    9. Nathaniel Eliot‏ @temujin9 21 Sep 2019
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      There are some deep synergies with https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/06/04/book-review-the-secret-of-our-success/ … that I need to parse.

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    10. Nathaniel Eliot‏ @temujin9 21 Sep 2019
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      "Stupid" actions in DM parlance are often uncoordinated ones: ones where you can't or won't trust the other players. This loops back around through Moloch, as well: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ … The trouble with leaving The System is trusting all good fellows to do so simultaneously.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Sep 2019
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      I’d actually transpose Sarah’s whole argument to stupid people in a specific sense: not necessarily dumb, but under the robotic control of a Thinking System. Formulaic pseudothinkers who crank through algorithmic cognition with no attention to contents, context, or consequences.

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Sep 2019
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          That kind of robotic stupidity scares me far more than malice, and I’m more likely to adopt a “do not deal” strike behavior with them. I can mostly handle malicious assholes who are actually showing signs of live, engaged thinking.

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        3. Nathaniel Eliot‏ @temujin9 21 Sep 2019
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          That's a culture thinking, via its memes. It's hideously slow and stupid, but also scales to the limit of its communication capabilities. (Chthonic consequences of the Internet, given this, are left as an exercise for the reader.)

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