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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 Sep 2019
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    Is there any known religion/afterlife mythology in which there is a devil/satan and a hell, but no god or heaven? I don't mean devil worship within a theology that also includes a god. I mean a devil-only religion afterlife mythology.

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      2. Dorian Taylor‏ @doriantaylor 7 Sep 2019
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        the greeks and hades?

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 Sep 2019
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        but they also had zeus and mt. olympus on the heaven side of the mythology

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      2. Sashin  🌱‏ @sashintweets 7 Sep 2019
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        You mean, that there is a place of eternal suffering after death without a place of eternal bliss? That there is a malevolent supernatural being out there but not a benevolent one?

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 Sep 2019
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        Yes

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      2. Noah “Actually An Ancient Pagan Festival” Sussman‏ @noahsussman 7 Sep 2019
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        I am not an expert but I think Gnosticism is something like that?

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 Sep 2019
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        @vr00n is this so?

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      1. Rahul Goma Phulore‏ @missingfaktor 7 Sep 2019
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        It would surprise me. It would seem like a wasted opportunity to pick a rather low hanging fruit. If you are designing a fictional incentive structure for people to be good, why would you not add in a healthy amount of positive reinforcement too?

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      2. Christian Lundkvist‏ @ChrisLundkvist 7 Sep 2019
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        Closest I can think of is Buddhism where our current earthly existence of endless wants that can never be fulfilled is like Hell and Nirvana is just the absence of wants. No embodied Devil though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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        yeah that doesn't quite map since earthly existence is kinda a distinct condition in all theologies

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      1. Dran Fren‏ @GlobalComplexit 7 Sep 2019
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        Malevolent deity-only scenarios depict worldly life already as "hell", afaik gnosticism would qualify for that with their evil demiurg. Most systems I know have a mixture of positive/negative elements/forces, which makes sense in a way (whatever function 1 assigns)- on a sidenote

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