Money and votes are both transactional technologies of ongoing consent.
I give/take money from you = I consent to mutually update a contracted non-violent relationship state
I vote with/against you = I consent to mutually update a contracted non-violent relationship state
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The diff is money is positive-only by design. Negative monetary transactions are theft or extraction (non-consensual without value in return, whether by thieves or the state in the form of fines)
But votes can be “negative” in the sense you and I can vote for competing sides.
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Many voting protocols like quadratic voting *could* update democracy in a big way en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic
There’s also horse trading which can be murky though can enable positive sum outcomes
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There is something there but I’m wary of directly deriving political and spiritual from economic and material.
Like I said I think the former has an independent foundation and process character that must be modeled separately and then coupled in.
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"must be modeled separately and then coupled in" - but that's exactly what futarchy does.
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Sounds like it suggests a coupling *mechanism* (betting on beliefs) but does not model or design for belief processes per se. This is what I think models like those of Fukuyama achieve that those of economists generally do not, or do so in a caricatured way.
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Yes, what we need are good mechanisms, not models.
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I disagree. We need both and and at all 3 loci: economics, politics, and the coupling between them. Otherwise you just create runaway choice pressure and mechanisms that collapse under the weight of choice complexity.
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I read your words, but just don't understand what you mean.
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I’m fine being misunderstood/not understood/dismissed as incoherent or nonsensical for long periods by most people. I’m like Amazon that way.
Perhaps we’ll discover common ground some day in the future to discuss this more 🙂
I'm open to a direct voice or video conversation. Text is much worse medium for getting past lack of understanding.
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Thanks for the offer, perhaps I’ll take you up on it if this line of thought develops much more seriously for me. For the moment I need to continue in a lightweight conversational mode with those who intuitively get what I’m driving at here.
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