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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Aug 2019
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      Will we get to a post-democratic politics, with a new technology, or is Fukuyama right and liberal democracy is the end of the road? With the only ways out being backslides? Or will technology create new modes of consensual mutuality beyond “voting” that allow further evolution?

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Aug 2019
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      This is perhaps the most interesting and important Big Think question today. The reason I was skeptical of the Cowen/Collison Progress Studies proposal is that they assume economic progress narratives can be easily extrapolated into political/spiritual spheres. This is doomed.

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Aug 2019
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      Questions of political/spiritual “progress” are independently foundational. They are coupled to material/economic progress narratives (in fact they supply whatever assumed positive or negative valence the former takes on) and can be driven by tech. But they are not derivative.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Aug 2019
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      To connect to my earlier physics analogy. Progress Studies in the Cowen/Collison sense is tautological. If your basic process models are *defined* and *designed* to be positive-only, of course net evolution will be “positive”, with negatives attributable to noise of some sort.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Aug 2019
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      Until you add process models — politics and spirituality — that can *independently* take on negative values, you can only make vacuous, high-minded statements about “progress” within an assumed consensus Whig epistemology. How do you do that? Take Fukuyama, Arendt etc seriously.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Aug 2019
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      Going by responses so far, it sounds like people think I’m pointing to a design imagination gap. Like there’s a way to put existing tech together in a new thingocracy or thingarchy that will get us to “post democracy”. No. Nothing ending in -cracy or -archy can fit the bill.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Aug 2019
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      There’s an *invention* gap here. We need a new breakthrough technology that makes new classes of design possible. Writing was one. The printing press was one. Radio/TV too. Most recently cryptography. Your -cracy or -archy is just a remix unless it uses a new tech in a new way.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Aug 2019
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      The mark of that is the creation of new political/spiritual freedoms that didn’t even exist before. For example: Literacy (printing press) liberated minds to explore new intellectual domains. Literate politics organized that new freedom.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Aug 2019
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      Cryptography might create new political freedoms, but this isn’t some trivial extension of economic affordances like blockchain voting. What new freedom does it create and how does it organize the collective use of that freedom? What’s the new freedom literacy?

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Aug 2019
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      My favorite candidate new freedom that could be organized by new political models is mobility. Live/travel freely anywhere in the world. My preferred post-democratic human condition would solve for vastly enhanced mobility.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Aug 2019
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      About ~60% or more humans live in meaningful democracies today iirc. But only 3% of humans travel beyond national borders today. The tech problem is zero-carbon transport. The economic problem is making it orders of magnitude cheaper. The political problem is open borders.

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        2. rachel‏ @stubborncurias 3 Aug 2019
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          Walking. You've invented walking. . . . (sorry.)

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        1. mutual‏ @mutual_ayyde 3 Aug 2019
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          as a millennial who's just a couple years from the gen z dividing line, I'd kill for something like cheap, slow, sustainable zeppelin transport, not just for myself, but also for the countless people in 1st world poverty/developing countries

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        2. Ḟreyjạ‏ @utotranslucence 3 Aug 2019
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          I created a few lists of styles of co-ordination; perhaps they can be mapped to co-ordination technologies? https://twitter.com/utotranslucence/status/1147392683695992832?s=21 … https://www.notion.so/jesswatmill/Types-of-social-co-ordination-18b5973344fb4ff89a4a9f15e9f3504e …

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          Other allocation mechanisms: Application processes allocate goods based on the ability & willingness to persuade Triage processes allocate goods based on the ability & willingness to demonstrate need Games allocate goods based on the ability & willingness to practice a skill
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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 Aug 2019
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          Seems plausible. You could create a medium-message matrix and find the natural grain of a particular stage of societal development. For example Benedict Anderson argued in Imagined Communities that national narratives as a coordination mechanism were an effect of print.

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        1. Farhat Habib‏ @far_hat 3 Aug 2019
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          I wonder how these numbers would drop off you remove the European Union inhabitants. International travel is not fun if you don't have a privileged passport.

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        1. hewhocutsdown‏ @hewhocutsdown 4 Aug 2019
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          Too Like the Lightning explores a world where near-free and fast global transit is simply a fact. You get a notification about local law variances when you arrive. You can be on a different continent for each meal. Excellent novel, btw.

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        1. divraj‏ @divraj 4 Aug 2019
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          governance experiments like molochdao , open borders forced by crypto competing with fiat enabled by blockchains available to those who are motivated making it cheaper will need better incentives more platforms to create ( http://instructables.com  ) vs consume ( netlix )

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