I want to do another thread related to the previous one, on temporal fidelity, on “I-it time” versus “I-you time”. Object relations time versus social relations time. And indirectly about interest vs social graphs. And more concretely about documents in social media.https://twitter.com/vgr/status/1157668998588141569 …
-
-
Social streams, and open natural environments are not I-it time, contained within the closed internal state dynamics of a finite and bounded object. They contain potential for unpredictable stimuli and novel inputs. They create an I-you headspace you can fully inhabit.
Show this thread -
Note that even non-human cpunterparties like a cat or a natural space can create I-you type time (test, if you can anthropomorpize it, it can create I-you time and an indefinitely inhabitable headspace for you). Very rarely, “document” like objects rise to this level.
Show this thread -
So what does this have to do with social media design? Well, it explains why document protocols will always have a minimum necessary jankiness to them. The switching shock from “headspace” and “I-you time” to “head-wrapped around” and “I-it time” is fundamental.
Show this thread -
Second, it offers the VR vs AR question in a very interesting perspective. VR is default document-like while AR is default stream-like. VR time is I-it time by default, AR time is I-you time by default? Can this be changed? Somewhat.
Show this thread -
Even when a VR is multi-player, you’re interacting through a finite avatar that’s in most ways impoverished relative to your full persona. That’s why you need text/audio side channels to complete the experience. Even the richest single-player VR so far can not generate I-you time
Show this thread -
Can AI characters get sophisticated enough to sustain single-player I-you time in VR worlds? That’s basically the same Turing test you’d apply to a simple text chat bot. The sensory richness of VR is a red herring for that question. We’ve not gone too far beyond ELIZA.
Show this thread -
There’s something profound here. The “attaching docs to emails” problem is ultimately about creating Turing-test-passing objects that can create sufficiently strong I-you time to merge into social streams. An attachment is a primitive AI trying to slide into your DMs
Show this thread
End of conversation
New conversation -
-
-
Impoverished in what way? What's missing?
Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
-
-
-
@Conaw This is why I like Roam and the referencing/embedding. I'm not holding the structure of the entirety of my notes in my head, because the content is already reproduced right there on the page, but in a way that's sustainable (because changes propagate)Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
-
-
-
It sounds like I-You time / headspace is (the best kind of) communication (h/t Niklas Luhmann, on his Zettelkasten: http://luhmann.surge.sh/communicating-with-slip-boxes … ) Books exist on a spectrum of this quality, some are very rich.pic.twitter.com/O57mecF31Y
This media may contain sensitive material. Learn more
Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
-
Loading seems to be taking a while.
Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.