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As an aside, I find "meaning" frames of questions incredibly awkward to think of it. I think of it as the wrong handle on the core problem for me personally. I wronghandle a problem only when I cannot find the right handle that matches my own brain-grain.
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The closet to the right handle for these types of questions I've come is the elan vital concept cluster (elan vital itself, generativity, infinite game, flow). Though these terms get closer than "meaning", they're not perfect.
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I don't have a word for it yet, but the "thing" I like to study/solve for is "temporal collimation" the sense of various strands of felt flow being in a sort of parallel, laminar condition, maintaining a focused intensity without either dissipating or converging to singularity
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A behavior feeling "meaningful" is a symptom of this state of consciousness, but meaning-making is neither necessary, nor sufficient to induce or sustain it. It is highly correlated though.
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I think this is practically a physics-level condition in a complex, autopoietic system. It is maintaining a low-entropy dynamic equilibrium, being alive or something, despite being in dissipative surroundings. Dissipative system like a tornado.
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If you identify "the state of experiencing meaning" with "the state of being a stable dissipative system like a tornado" you can connect up gonzo experiential modes of meaning with contemplative ones.
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Another way to come at this: define problem as "life, the universe, and everything." "Meaning" is a serious, contemplation-first frame for addressing it. "Gonzo" is a crazy, experiential-first frame for addressing it. My "home" frame, humor, messes with boundary between them
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For eg. This by is epistemic view of humor "The essence of a joke, in Hurley, Dennett, and Adams’ view, is that the teller of the joke surreptitiously introduces a certain epistemic commitment, and then reveals it to have been mistaken."
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The first link makes the important point that you cannot get at the essence of humor by looking for the essence of jokes. Humor (and this is my gloss on the implication, not the argument in either article) is a posture of being, not doing.
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tldr of this thread... the problem of meaning is a problem of life-force in disguise, and has historically been addressed via one of 3 stances: serious, crazy, and humorous. Meaning-making, gonzo-experiential, and humor. Maps to sorokin's ideational, sensate, idealistic perhaps?
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This is good. Here for it <deer eating popcorn.gif> Off the cuff question: Do the 3 stances map in any predictable way... (or could one shape one's life stances in a way) that might rhyme or resonate with a developmental model (Kegan) or a traditional life shape (4 ashrama?)
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