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    1. Kingshuk Das‏ @kingshukdas 5 Jul 2019
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      Switching from clay to plastic at the scale of Indian tea-drinking was such an all-round disaster: environment, design/experience, flavor... I still have these in memoriam. https://twitter.com/jmanooch/status/1147080975974899713 …pic.twitter.com/dDlPnAxX2Z

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 5 Jul 2019
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      This is a pernicious idea, that clay pots are “sustainable”. Clay pots/kulhars are basically unglazed ceramic/glass and making them irreversibly destroys topsoil. It may look more aesthetic/natural than plastic but is an equally awful pollutant. At modern scales it would be worse

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    3. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch 5 Jul 2019
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      If unfired and unglazed, hardly a pollutant, although maybe undesirable rubbish. Regarding topsoil can you supply a source? Wikipedia source link is broken.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 5 Jul 2019
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      Replying to @jmanooch @kingshukdas

      It’s fired, but not glazed

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    5. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch 5 Jul 2019
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      That's not accurate IMHO. Firing terracotta has the distinct effect of making the clay resistant to water permanently. That's not how kulhars are, in my limited but non-zero experience: the cups are lightly 'fired' for solidity but absorb liquid and are soft waste soon enough.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 5 Jul 2019
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      They are fired. That much I know for sure. I’ve visited kilns where they’re made. I was only casually following the story when it was big news ~2004. You can follow up if interested. At the time, the environmentalist argument convinced me.https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/storm-in-a-kulhar/224684 …

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    7. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch 5 Jul 2019
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      Ok just to be precise here. Kulhars in my direct experience are 'fired' but are not fired /again/, and thus not terracotta and far more biodegradable. I just learnt the name for this stage of pottery is 'bisque'. http://pinkyspottery.blogspot.com/2008/10/7-stages-of-clay.html …

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    8. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch 5 Jul 2019
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      This is important (to me) since part of my enthusiasm for them is based on their biodegradability. It's possible some many kulhars are double-fired (=terracotta) but I don't think I experienced any.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 5 Jul 2019
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      Replying to @jmanooch @kingshukdas

      Note though that biodegradable may not mean topsoil restoration closed loop

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    10. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch 5 Jul 2019
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      Yes that's why I wanted a link on that: topsoil is +/- non-renewable in manageable time-frames. Agree fully if so. Not saying it's not the case (I defer to LCA) but in your link V Shiva says clay comes from elsewhere. Net net, I suspect scale is too high for clay anyway.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 5 Jul 2019
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      Yes at the scale needed to replace plastic for a 1.2b population the soil input from all sources would be massive. Bio-source plastic would cope I think. One I think could possibly scale for dry foods is pressed-dried-leaf plates. Especially if more species of leaf are used.

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        1. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch 5 Jul 2019
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          Great catch. And suitably brings back into play texture-nostalgia, artisanal/small-actor role, and for me the cognitive joy of just dumping things without feeling guilty. Sust needs to valorize the experiential and cognitive layer much more, not just aesthetic and moral IMHO.

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