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    1. Kingshuk Das‏ @kingshukdas 5 Jul 2019
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      Switching from clay to plastic at the scale of Indian tea-drinking was such an all-round disaster: environment, design/experience, flavor... I still have these in memoriam. https://twitter.com/jmanooch/status/1147080975974899713 …pic.twitter.com/dDlPnAxX2Z

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 5 Jul 2019
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      This is a pernicious idea, that clay pots are “sustainable”. Clay pots/kulhars are basically unglazed ceramic/glass and making them irreversibly destroys topsoil. It may look more aesthetic/natural than plastic but is an equally awful pollutant. At modern scales it would be worse

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    3. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch 5 Jul 2019
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      If unfired and unglazed, hardly a pollutant, although maybe undesirable rubbish. Regarding topsoil can you supply a source? Wikipedia source link is broken.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 5 Jul 2019
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      Replying to @jmanooch @kingshukdas

      There was a big discussion on this like 20 years back when Laloo Yadav was railway minister and tried to impose kulhars by policy and environmentalists came out against it. You’ll have to dig for the details.

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    5. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch 5 Jul 2019
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      I did and I couldn't find any, so if you have any sources for what seems like a definitive view, I'd be grateful.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 5 Jul 2019
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      Replying to @jmanooch @kingshukdas

      I don’t but I find the case against plastic to be largely based on unexamined aesthetic assumptions and no analysis. That’s how you end up with media ignoring fish net waste (40% of oceanic plastic) and trying to ban plastic straws (< 1%) on the strength of a turtle photo.

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    7. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch 5 Jul 2019
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      John Manoochehri Retweeted John Manoochehri

      I'm a professional environmentalist and designer who has worked on consumption and resource flows for 20 years. You don't need to guide me away from media fads and consumer morality plays. That's why I want to know the details on this and why this:https://twitter.com/jmanooch/status/1147163837000556545 …

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      It's why I come down in the middle of this debate: https://twitter.com/tfadell/status/1144487040148369408 … Recycling is good if energy balance is right and materials require it. Otherwise sustainable disposables are worth considering.
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    8. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch 5 Jul 2019
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      I read the article - thanks for the link - although the enviros actually quoted (V Shiva/CSE) are in favour. I just like them, but at scale it will of course be an issue, what is the correct model when full LCA and resource impact considered. Thanks again.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 5 Jul 2019
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      Replying to @jmanooch @kingshukdas

      I like them too, but there is a tendency in India to fetishize artisan modes of production especially by populist politicians to pander to tiny medieval-origin communities that simply couldn’t deal with modern scales. Started with Gandhi and hand loom textiles.

      9:04 AM - 5 Jul 2019
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        1. John Manoochehri‏ @jmanooch 5 Jul 2019
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          V interesting. Those examples are a distant from me, but I recognise + have been guilty of artisan fetishization as a mode of eco-production. I now believe that scale/system-level is the solution to sust resource management, and socio-cultural mores must evolve around that.

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