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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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      Now I’ve landed somewhere in the middle. Elements of high-culture work, like the OP link to a life work in dictionary building are high value for languages *if* there is also a viable low-culture living language for it to ride on. Otherwise it is dead language scholarship.

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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      High culture as a sort of authoritarian cultural policing force on a dying language only hastens its death, as younger speakers chafe and defect to more laissez-faire languages. But high culture as a sort of high technology for doing more complex cultural things, that’s necessary

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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      A language without an esoteric tier will soon degenerate and die in a different way: by becoming a language mostly for stupid people thinking stupid thoughts. A preliminary stage is a divide of growing mutual unintelligibility emerging between high/low versions of a language.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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      This divide is starkly visible in all Indian languages (a bad thing) but barely visible in English (a sign of health). A scholarly speaker speaking “shudh” (pure) Hindi sounds almost like Sanskrit and incomprehensible the way Latin does to average English speakers.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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      Conversely, a full-blown use of a deep-slang street version of Hindi, like Bambaiyya (think strong Geordie or AAVE in relation to English), can be almost as unintelligible to people schooled exclusively in official-sanskritized “high-culture” version, like many South Indians are.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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      Prediction: tailwinds of digitization, auto-translation, robust street use, and demographics notwithstanding, most 2nd tier languages are going to die of stupidification because they are below critical mass of creatives working in high culture and keeping it close to low culture

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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      Coda: I found a translator partner for German version of Breaking Smart easily. In French, I was approached by a French digital agency. In Spanish, I had a couple of individuals interested and an incomplete translation exists it the project didn’t get done.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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      This tells you the limits of informal, extra-institutional translation possibilities. Traditionally published books that are reasonably successful will easily appear in 6-7 languages. Self-published ones like my book Tempo (~5k copies, so low end of “successful”) are unlikely to.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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      A lot of the value of existence of institutionalized high culture layers in languages is: cultural globalization. When high culture dies, books stop being translated into other languages as the translation gap between self-published and traditionally published demonstrates.

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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      Web content is somewhere in between. It benefits from improving machine translation capabilities (I don’t know how much that relies on traditional dictionaries etc), but as Breaking Smart demonstrates, there is a limit to how much indie publishers can access quality translation.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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      Most stuff is barely worth reading for native speakers in the language, but the best stuff is not only worth translating globally for maximum reach, it might even be valuable enough to inspire non-native speakers to learn the language.

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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          It’s telling that I was unable to find a good translation resource for breaking smart —> Hindi. Then I started doing it myself but then gave up as not worth the effort. Didn’t even bother looking in Tamil or Kannada (where doing it myself is not an option)

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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          Inference: speakers of any language it’s worthwhile translating material like breaking smart into are already likely to speak English. It’s like it’s easiest to get a loan if you can prove you don’t need one. It’s easiest to get translations to languages that don’t need them.

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        4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 8 Jun 2019
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          Ironic endnote: this thread was inspired by OP profile of a Kannada lexicographer who spent 54 years writing a dictionary. Kannada is native language of Bangalore, perhaps the best-known non-western city associated with software eating world. E(P(software saves Kannada))=0.05.

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