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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 22 May 2019
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    I don’t *really* grok the modern Moloch meme of Ginsberg/SSC provenance 🤔 I get it intellectually but it feels like there’s something I’m supposed to viscerally appreciate that I don’t. That makes me part of Moloch doesn’t it? Or just Moloch-blind?

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      1. antirobust‏ @antirobust 22 May 2019
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        do more game theory?

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      2. Noah Rosenberg‏ @nrose 22 May 2019
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        Its safe to say that when you don’t feel like you’re a sacrifice to Moloch, you’re reaping the benefits of the sacrifice. When you’re wearing premium mediocre face powder with mica glitter you’re benefiting from the moloch of the child slaves who mined it.

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      3. Maynard Handley‏ @handleym99 22 May 2019
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        TOTALLY missing the point. The point is that the undesired behavior is emergent in the *system*, it’s not a consequence of the “morality” of the individual actors that make up the system. ie you don’t understand water by intensively studying the H2O molecule.

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      2. Noah Rosenberg‏ @nrose 22 May 2019
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        When we drive our cars and use coal-fired electricity, and doom other poor countries to permanent climate related catastrophe, and ourselves just enjoy a few more sunny days, that’s moloch.

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 22 May 2019
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        Yes I get all that I just don’t think there’s a there there It’s like you have to believe in a karmic calculus to be shocked at the discovery there isn’t one The concept is clear, the metaphysical premises seem like a matter of religious taste

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      2. Dan listens to the last days of the first days‏ @danlistensto 22 May 2019
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        which poetry do you not feel this way about?

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      2. James Baker‏ @jambarree 22 May 2019
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        In my view the visceral punch comes from losing the ability to blame people. Seeing the Moloch-ian systems means our villains aren't the answer, being faced with fighting system/god blows up our simple culture-war/outgroup ideals.

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      3. Sphinx Of Cement‏ @cementofsphinx 22 May 2019
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        Those who are pulled by Moloch and those who follow willingly!

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      2. Herb Credulity‏ @datthewmao 22 May 2019
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        The Moloch meme is essentially Satanism to modernism's progress-as-far-as-the-eye-can-see Christianity. Like disillusioned Xtian teens turning very goth. I'm assuming you never found Jesus, or if you did you were led astray by Douglas Adams very early.

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      3. Josh Marshall‏ @josh_m 22 May 2019
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        Good comparison. I've added your thought to my thread on Satan.https://twitter.com/josh_m/status/1131380289358319616 …

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        Ah, the post-rational Satan is the Moloch meme. https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ … The unspoken violence on which our society continues to make its advance. (thanks https://twitter.com/datthewmao/status/1131357830450208769 …)
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