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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 10 May 2019
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      Funny how some of the best habits start out as laziness. I started writing quick-and-dirty notes to myself after consulting calls so I wouldn't have to maintain situation awareness between calls....

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 10 May 2019
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      ... Then I started putting them into follow-up emails to clients rather than offline docs in lieu of deliverables, and whaddya know, clients appreciated the quick-and-dirty notes as much as the live calls, and more than delayed polished and formal "output"...

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 10 May 2019
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          Now that's pretty much ALL I do. Live calls, email notes. That's it. And that's all most clients actually want. Everything else is premium mediocre extras that don't actually add value, if they're read at all.

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 10 May 2019
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          I briefly did a misguided thing out of anxiety that everything was too ephemeral: make review materials like decks/spreadsheets/docs. Way too much overkill. Then I went the other extreme and did no follow through. Quickly lost the plot and it showed. Emails = sweet spot.

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        4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 10 May 2019
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          I can pretty much reconstruct the entire history of a consulting relationship, some going back 8 years, simply by reviewing all the post-call notes emails. Not exactly eidetic memory, but as close as I need it to be. I need to do more systematic game tape reviews though.

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        5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 10 May 2019
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          #artofgig freebie thread 😎check my soundcloudhttps://artofgig.substack.com/ 

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        6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 10 May 2019
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          Which is not to say it's easy of course. Simple but not easy. Takes a lot of practice to get good at summarizing the gist of a live conversation in written form that's both useful for recall, and distills the highlights/insights etc.

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        7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 10 May 2019
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          Also don't take this too literally as some sort of minimalist zen logistics model... I do produce other forms of working collateral when they actually make sense. I've made my share of decks and spreadsheet models too.

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        2. Vipul Agarwal‏ @vipul_zend 10 May 2019
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          Replying to @vgr

          We do that for our internal meetings. Live note taking as we speak and works very well. Have done it with clients only occasionally.

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 10 May 2019
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          Replying to @vipul_zend

          I only take very sparse notes while talking, just key words and phrases/refs. The rest I reconstruct from memory after the call. Taking copious notes means you're not actually engaging in the conversation.

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        2. Mo‏ @MuhammadPuter12 11 May 2019
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          @fortelabs isn't this sort of what you advocate in https://www.google.com/amp/s/praxis.fortelabs.co/bending-the-curves-of-productivity-25edb268672f/amp/ … ? Package up intermediate steps as reusable components for later consumption, instead of seeing only the final deliverable as repository of value, part of shifting shape/size of value-created curves?

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        3. Tiago Forte‏ @fortelabs 11 May 2019
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          Yes absolutely. I've started doing what @vgr describes too, jotting down anything that comes to mind after the call, rather than trying to maintain notes continuously during the call. Results in much more succinct, useful notes

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