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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      What happens when you throw a doerist mindset into the much more complex and ambiguous world of adult society where most things aren’t set up to be learnable through trial-and-error doing? You’re likely to quickly find, imitate, and lock-on to, the simplest patterns that work.

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      Normal 14-25 ways of growing aren’t doerist. They include wild speculation, unreasonable experiments, weird obsessions, rebellion, etc. The space explored is much larger than efficiently learnable doerist space. It includes lots of angsty contemplation, inaction, reflection.

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      It isn’t all efficient test-driven trial-and-error learning. It has a lot of potential for breaking out of tradition because it is *bad* at tradition. Tradition is something youth settles into at 35 as it runs out of energy rather than locks on to at 19 after A/B testing of chaos

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      Maybe I’m overfitting some very limited and sparse observational data, but I think there’s something real here. Something analogous, in fact, to deep learning AIs. Gen Z is deep-learning the world rather than GOFAI-learning it like every previous generation.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      It might seem weird to call this traditionalism, since the *content* is not necessarily traditional. It’s some uncanny valley memetic soup mixing ancient statuary, “classical” aesthetics, anime, black reaction gifs etc. But the low-energy signature is that of traditionalism.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      Is this good or bad? I don’t know. It’s like asking if deep learning is good or bad vis-a-vis GOFAI. I am trying to resist my own sense that it is bad. I’m trying to see how it might be adaptive. But it’s hard not to sense the cost being incurred.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      I can’t resist the sense that this is a prematurely aged, prematurely optimized, pattern-locked generation that has been *too good* at learning for its own good. That I was perhaps well-served by my learning environment being “bad”, anti-doerist, and forcing reflection.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      tldr: This is either an H. L. Mencken generation that has figured out the "an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" for the complex problem of “life’ by trial and error, OR it is a transcended generation that is experiencing an enlightenment that will leave us oldies behind.

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    9. Greg Borenstein‏ @atduskgreg 7 May 2019
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      Counter theory: their Boomer parents went hard away from tradition. Boomers never embraced institution building or norm upholding. They went directly from 70s counter culture to 80s me generation. Gen Z "traditionalism" is a radical reaction to their parents' neglect of tradition

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    10. Greg Borenstein‏ @atduskgreg 7 May 2019
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      And this Boomer neglect of traditionalism produced an extremely precarious world: looming climate disaster, decline of democracies, breakdown of capitalism's populist promise. Under precariousness people look for stability. Plus these problems may need anti-invidualist solutions.

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      I don’t think this is an alternate theory. It’s more like you passing historical judgment and assigning blame for the pattern I’m pointing out 🙂

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        1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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          But note that I am not reacting to a sense of rising traditionalism in the same sense as you’re pointing out its boomer neglect.

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        2. Greg Borenstein‏ @atduskgreg 7 May 2019
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          Ha. Well maybe. I was responding, specifically, to your theory about the "cult of doerism" as being the cause here. "Doerism" is part of Boomer-dominated Me-first materialism. I think actually a lot of the instinct here you've identified as "traditionalism" is a reaction to that.

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          Hmm. Maybe. I think doerism is more recent and has more to do with ubiquitous access to the internet.

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