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This is my conversational account. For my work follow @ribbonfarm, @breaking_smart, @artofgig. Tweets are 90% vacuous views, apathetically held. Mediocritopian.

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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      It’s like phatic speech, but big talk instead of small talk. You can’t engage it as thought at all. It’s more like habitual behavior, like riding a bike or brushing teeth. It shares features with bullshit. Indifference to truth/falsity, except here it’s behavioral, not cognitive

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      Here’s why it is weird. Traditionalism as such doesn’t really exist. In actual traditional societies (which don’t exist anymore) it is merely the only game in town. Perpetuating tradition and learning adult skills are the same thing. To rebel, you’d have to pioneer an option.

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      In modern societies, traditionalism is simply habits you acquire when young that you insist on keeping when you’re old, despite changes in the environment that make them weird/maladaptive. At the time of acquisition, the habits may not have been traditional at all.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      You also have to distinguish ironic traditionalism, tactical conflict-avoidance, and simple insularity (growing up in a small town without much exposure to rebellious cultural choices) from the kind of traditionalism I’m sensing.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      Summary: creepy traditionalism is intelligent 22-year-olds acting and talking like 70-year-olds in ruts when you’d expect some mix of rebellion and super-earnest politics + messy behaviors. It is creepy because it suggests premature pattern-locking as an anxiety coping mechanism.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      Why are we seeing this? I have a theory. This is a generation that was raised in the cult of doerism. Hands-on everything. Trial-and-error. Gamified pedagogy. Self-directed learning. Hacking as growing up. They’ve been taught to distrust theory, reflection and contemplation.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      This works great for a lot of stuff industrial schooling is supposed to teach, but fails to. People < 25 are used to their developmental environment world being figure-outable by trial and error, without manuals. Reflection is the all-else-fails option.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      What happens when you throw a doerist mindset into the much more complex and ambiguous world of adult society where most things aren’t set up to be learnable through trial-and-error doing? You’re likely to quickly find, imitate, and lock-on to, the simplest patterns that work.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      Normal 14-25 ways of growing aren’t doerist. They include wild speculation, unreasonable experiments, weird obsessions, rebellion, etc. The space explored is much larger than efficiently learnable doerist space. It includes lots of angsty contemplation, inaction, reflection.

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    10. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      It isn’t all efficient test-driven trial-and-error learning. It has a lot of potential for breaking out of tradition because it is *bad* at tradition. Tradition is something youth settles into at 35 as it runs out of energy rather than locks on to at 19 after A/B testing of chaos

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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      Maybe I’m overfitting some very limited and sparse observational data, but I think there’s something real here. Something analogous, in fact, to deep learning AIs. Gen Z is deep-learning the world rather than GOFAI-learning it like every previous generation.

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        2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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          It might seem weird to call this traditionalism, since the *content* is not necessarily traditional. It’s some uncanny valley memetic soup mixing ancient statuary, “classical” aesthetics, anime, black reaction gifs etc. But the low-energy signature is that of traditionalism.

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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          Is this good or bad? I don’t know. It’s like asking if deep learning is good or bad vis-a-vis GOFAI. I am trying to resist my own sense that it is bad. I’m trying to see how it might be adaptive. But it’s hard not to sense the cost being incurred.

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        4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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          I can’t resist the sense that this is a prematurely aged, prematurely optimized, pattern-locked generation that has been *too good* at learning for its own good. That I was perhaps well-served by my learning environment being “bad”, anti-doerist, and forcing reflection.

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        5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 7 May 2019
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          tldr: This is either an H. L. Mencken generation that has figured out the "an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" for the complex problem of “life’ by trial and error, OR it is a transcended generation that is experiencing an enlightenment that will leave us oldies behind.

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