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This is my conversational account. For my work follow @ribbonfarm, @breaking_smart, @artofgig. Tweets are 90% vacuous views, apathetically held. Mediocritopian.

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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 May 2019
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    This is a brave attempt by @lou_keep to make a difficult point. I've tried and failed to make it myself multiple times in conversation, but never in an essay. Whoever can make this point in a crystal clear and evocative way can probably be president.https://samzdat.com/2017/06/01/the-meridian-of-her-greatness/ …

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      2. Made in Cosmos  💫 Maria Górska-Piszek‏ @made_in_cosmos 3 May 2019
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        You have no idea how relieved I'm feeling right now. Thought there's something wrong with me bc I couldn't articulate my thoughts about this

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 3 May 2019
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        Replying to @made_in_cosmos @lou_keep

        What's hard I think is that "graphs up and to the right!" people are not wrong, but they're missing what they're missing not because of bad faith, privilege or authoritarian high modernism as people (reasonably) assume. They're more like drunks looking for keys under streetlight.

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      2. Ari Paul  ⛓️‏Verified account @AriDavidPaul 3 May 2019
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        Super subtle and complex topic fraught with the risks of simplification and condescension. I'll make one note that is relevant, but also tangential: on a lot of things like this, people really are wrong as a result of availability bias, even in day to day life experience.

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      3. Ari Paul  ⛓️‏Verified account @AriDavidPaul 3 May 2019
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        2/ As an example - Americans (of all races) perception of police brutality. Even as it was objectively falling, it was perceived to be rising for a variety of reasons, one of which being increased media coverage as well as the rise of bystander videos.

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      2. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 3 May 2019
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        Take the middle 50% of full time workers now and in 1950. Take their median wage. Take the average price to buy a single family home where they currently live. Compare.

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      3. Winning Emergence‏ @sly_clank 5 May 2019
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        If you think the numbers are bad in American cities, try it for Indian and Chinese big cities.. It's horrendous Hong kong is the king kong of this, like 70%+ to rent of income

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      1. Stefano 👾‏ @StefanoZorzi 3 May 2019
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        Are you both familiar with “the true and only heaven”? The argument Lasch makes there is more about the ideology of progress than the market per se. That has always seemed to me a better explanation than the pure economic one.

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      2. Not Jack‏ @notcalledjack 3 May 2019
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        At a high level, the idea that market societies curtail certain natural wants in the human animal (meaning the society, not the individuals) is appealing and intuive, and dispels the contradictions with the economic growth we often argue about.

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      3. Not Jack‏ @notcalledjack 3 May 2019
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        But what gives me pause is: we really have very little information about pre-capitalist societies to draw contrasts. Do we /know/ people in societies with less constraints imposed by capitalist structures were less disaffected, less angry, happier?

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      2. Meekaale Brockman‏ @meekaale 6 May 2019
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        Productivity goes up, but who owns the products? Typically the capital owners appropriate them, as stipulated by the employment contract. This state-enforced contractual arrangement is the essence of capitalism. But it's not a necessary feature of property or markets.

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      3. Meekaale Brockman‏ @meekaale 6 May 2019
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        David Ellerman explains that a labor theory of property is more forceful than labor theories of value which have anyway been superseded by marginal productivity theory. Workers don't deserve higher wages; they deserve ownership of the whole product.

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