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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 31 Mar 2019
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      It’s not enough that the world changes (plot) or characters grow individually or in mutuality. The world and characters must change together in, for want of a better term, Turing complete ways. Even a strange attractor or brownian motion won’t do.

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 31 Mar 2019
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      It’s the entanglement that evolves irreversibly. And the characters don’t have to be “rich” in a literary sense for this. In fact that’s often a liability. Even 2d caricatures that are terrible by rules of “good” character dev can drive historic narrative if entangled right

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 31 Mar 2019
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      This stuff is very hard. That’s why only a few cases have been solved analytically. For example evil twins from evil parallel universes who differ in social identity only by a goatee (van dyke actually...) is a surprisingly sophisticated device if you dig a bit into it.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 31 Mar 2019
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      “Good” and “evil” are shorthand codes/world-hashes for 2 different narrative equilibria, with a leak in either direction capable of restarting history. Good/evil is a property of the *entanglement* between the characters and home universes.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 31 Mar 2019
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      Importantly, social identity is *only* an address. That is why a trivial marker (facial hair) works to distinguish the two universes. It happens to be gendered but that’s unimportant. It could be a nongendered trait like long hair.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 31 Mar 2019
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      Interestingly, Marxist thought gets this whole idea in a degenerate way: “none of us is free until all of us are free” or “the oppressor requires liberation as much as the oppressed.” That’s a good special case of entangled history.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 31 Mar 2019
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      Where it fails is treating aspects of the context, like class, as immutable. A workers paradise isn’t classless. It’s a degenerate one-class, end-of-history society. To transcend class-structure, you need something with equal expressive power that preserves Turing-completeness.

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    8. Rem “Not Cool” House‏ @adamhump 31 Mar 2019
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      History doesn’t restart. Fukuyama looks like a dumbass for claiming it’s end. If it were to restart, truly impossible, it would only open us up to the same damn stories occurring over and over with even less self awareness or hope of transcendence.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 31 Mar 2019
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      Have you actually read Fukuyama?

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    10. Rem “Not Cool” House‏ @adamhump 31 Mar 2019
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      only secondary sources and a couple of lectures: I understand he himself has backed off from end of history talk

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 31 Mar 2019
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      Not really. He’s qualified it. It’s deeper than I think you realize and the original book plus the recent two volume order/decay books are much more solid than pop media suggests, and “looking like a dumbass” is irrelevant for a scholarly thesis.

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