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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Feb 2019
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    Alternate interpretation of Dunbar’s number (150). It is the minimum number of people required to make a subjective world. Ie create a mental world with sufficiently entangled social cognition to fully satisfy a human mind. Cf: Kurt Vonnegut “you’re not enough people” argument.https://twitter.com/vgr/status/1097667847537315840 …

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    Sometimes I think Vonnegut’s “you are not enough people” theory applies at species scale. All of humanity is not enough people for anyone. That’s why we like aliens in our sci-fi. And tolerate twitter despite everything. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/300997-ok-now-let-s-have-some-fun-let-s-talk-about-sex … pic.twitter.com/SBqAck9ezI
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      2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Feb 2019
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        It is the minimum complexity required to sustain a subjective “time”. Similar in spirit to Von Neumann lower limit for self-reproducing automata, except this is for self-perpetuating egregores. Cc @sarahdoingthing

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Feb 2019
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        Necessary but not sufficient. Random assemblage of 150 will not form a world. But below 150 you will always have a sense of degeneracy/incompleteness/alienation and an urge to exit towards richer/bigger groups. Unless you have a non-neurotypical mind of a certain sort.

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      4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Feb 2019
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        Not that this is not about personality (introversion/extroversion) or sociability. It is about lower limit of group size that can create activity sufficient to fill a social brain. Even if your connection is via magazines delivered to a solitary log cabin.

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      5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 21 Feb 2019
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        Possibly, below 150, you will have to make raw survival harder in proportion to social world deficit. The material world is an imperfect substitute but presumably Robinson Crusoe could take his mind off solitude with fishing and coconut carving etc.

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      1. wenjimi‏ @JimiWen 21 Feb 2019
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        Chinese intra-personal (subjective) taste is 口 “one mouth”; and inter-personal taste is 品 “three mouths”, I interpret as talking and tasting simultaneously. 3 maybe interpret as 3 or more and obviously a character evolution has its spatial limitations.

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      1. wenjimi‏ @JimiWen 21 Feb 2019
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        Replying to @MimeticValue @vgr

        Yes the nouns, I am inclined to believe product area things of taste along its functions... also how one acts with reference to others...

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      1. More Life‏ @Anachrofuturist 21 Feb 2019
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        Holy crap

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      1. Gunther Boogle‏ @GuntherBoogle 21 Feb 2019
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        There are some correlations between D and novelty experienced to satisfy a social mind, but this feels too close to crackpottery due to your baked-in assumption that primary satisfaction of human mind is derived primarily from other human minds.

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      1. superben‏ @_superben 22 Feb 2019
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        You could test this on Twitter, following 150 people..

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        Yes, and cognitive decline in the elderly has been linked to social isolation

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