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    Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 11 Feb 2019
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    Not true at least for me. I run away pronto if it seems like a coaching client is stealthily looking for therapy. I've even had a couple of clients who were working with actual therapists on their inner game while working with me on outer game.https://twitter.com/eringriffith/status/1095120376340697088 …

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    erin griffithVerified account @eringriffith
    therapists disguised as "executive coaches" are thriving in silicon valley https://twitter.com/karanortman/status/1095030581895737345 …
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      2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 11 Feb 2019
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        I think this is a common perception in part because people don't realize the degree which the outward facing challenges of doing the job of an executive are very real. It seems insubstantial so they assume "coaching" for it must be code for therapy.

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      3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 11 Feb 2019
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        Imagine if for some reason you were never allowed to watch an actual basketball game or training session, but were allowed to watch/eavesdrop on fragments of the coach and player chatting. You might assume that it's "therapy" with some indecipherable "ball" jargon mixed in

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      4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 11 Feb 2019
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        Actually, if someone's gotten to a high-functioning exec role, there is a *very* good chance that any serious issues that went unaddressed earlier in their careers is actually an adaptive trait for their environment, and it would be a bad idea to try to fix it if it's stable :D

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      5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 11 Feb 2019
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        Marshall Goldsmith (probably the uber exec-coach proper, but of an era where it *was* in fact partly therapy) frames coaching in part as fixing residual things that slipped through the cracks/went unfixed earlier in career and are liabilities nowhttps://www.ribbonfarm.com/2008/05/11/what-got-you-here-wont-get-you-there-by-marshall-goldsmith/ …

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      6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 11 Feb 2019
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        I like Goldsmith's ideas and generally have a lot of respect for his era of executive coaching. But his model assumes a sort of Organization Man executive fitting into a Fortune 100 east coast company C-suite. SV execs are kinda the antithesis of that if they're effective at all

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      7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 11 Feb 2019
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        Related: Only about 40% of Fortune 500 CEOs have MBAs. Only 32% globally have MBAs. I suspect the picture is similar down to about VP level. This means about 60-70% of all executives win on domain expertise and pick up commodity biz skills on the job.

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      8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 11 Feb 2019
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        But on-the-job "street" education often comes with narrow sparring practice with people who are either too close to your industry or with the wrong incentives to help you get better. One gap "coaches" fill is to broaden the on-the-job idiosyncratic picking up of biz skills.

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      9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 11 Feb 2019
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        I don't have an MBA. The few other coaches I've met haven't had MBAs either. They're simply people who've picked up biz skills/knowledge randomly along the way and are able to convert it into sparring stress-loading. I suspect typical MBAs wouldn't make good coaches. Too doerist.

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      2. erin griffith‏Verified account @eringriffith 11 Feb 2019
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        from convos i've had, coaching can be the gateway drug to therapy

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        It can be, sure. But the game of being an executive is complex enough that it actually does benefit from coaching. There's a there there. In fact, a good executive coach interested in that game will generally not accept a client with too many/too deep therapy issues.

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