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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      I’m broadly left-libertarian, with strong sympathy for people suffering from poverty, poor health, lack of education etc. To the extent skin color is a very strong multiplier I take it seriously, but not symbolically. It’s a good analysis variable but a terrible symbolizing one.

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      Forget Asians, who are more likely to not fit politics implied by ‘POC’ than fit. Even rich blacks/Hispanics are likely going to be misfits in ways that seriously undermine intent (for example take roles intended to represent but not actually do so because of ‘white’ incentives)

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      Someone (I think @antoniogm) joked that what America needs is a class war, not a culture war. I’d rather not have a war at all, but I agree if we must have one, a “class war” (though not necessarily constructed in socialist terms) is a healthier one to have.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      One reason I think @AOC is a net healthy addition to the political stage, despite being skeptical of her economic policies is that she seems to be pursuing this class-over-culture framing. Not saying drop cultural identity. Just don’t make it the flag/symbolizing variable.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      Tldr: it’s your choice whether to use the term. It doesn’t offend me, but it does not serve me either. It represents a slight negative utility which I would tolerate if I thought it was at least helping people who needed help, but it doesn’t do that either. So I don’t use it.

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    6. Nate Angell‏ @xolotl 13 Jan 2019
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      I was with you until “correlation is not causation”. My POV: We can’t think through and solve for economic inequity without recognizing racism’s role in its construction. We can’t address one social ill without addressing the constellation of structures that generate it.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      Sure. Using the term POC is just a lousy tactic towards that end.

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    8. Nate Angell‏ @xolotl 13 Jan 2019
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      Agreed we need tactics to help more people join an “imagined community” not constructed by race. But at the same time, the imagined community of nation is also troubled. What are we asking people to BE beyond race or “American” [sic] or “Ghanese” etc?

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      Whatever they want that does not involve coopting others who don’t actually share the identity. Free market of identities rather than bureaucracy. Most people do fine without strongly “being” anything .

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    10. Nate Angell‏ @xolotl 13 Jan 2019
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      That seems uncharacteristically naive.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      Perhaps. It's never been tried anywhere. Free market identity politics is an idea whose time has come.

      12:17 PM - 13 Jan 2019
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        1. On high alert‏ @Spiesbegone 13 Jan 2019
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          I mean, there are neurodiverse and neurotypical people, alcoholics and non-binary people......1/x

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        1. On high alert‏ @Spiesbegone 13 Jan 2019
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          But I'm curious, you think the popularization of the term 'POC' involves a co-optation of sorts? Colonization being the historical force it was, I think the rise of a 'colour coalition' makes a sort of natural sense.

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        1. On high alert‏ @Spiesbegone 13 Jan 2019
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          Of course, there will be 'POC' might not consider themselves a part of the color coalition and not find the term 'POC' representative/useful, as you do. And I agree with you re your analysis on AOC, she's a canny coalition spotter/builder.

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        1. Nate Angell‏ @xolotl 13 Jan 2019
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          Sort of like free market economics has never been successfully tried? Identity production is a group cultural activity, no? Except in myths like the USA’s “self-made man”.

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        1. On high alert‏ @Spiesbegone 13 Jan 2019
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          As in, it's possible that among the groups being oppressed by divide and conquer oppressors, one group carries more blame than the other. As in, is the very TERM 'POC' so alienating to white people?

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