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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      In fact it badly distorts politics of many groups. To the extent constructing and using the term “POC” signals valuing solidarity and a manufactured class consciousness, it is broadly socialist/modernist in spirit and unrepresentative of (for example) Asian trad/right wing etc.

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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      Ironically, intersectionality is a good framework for appreciating this. People of “color” are still “people” first, and as likely to lean right, fascist, racist, libertarian etc as whites, given appropriate socioeconomic contexts. Erasing adversaries creates blindspot perils.

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      I believe people who like the term have sincere motives. Sure, people who are victims of structural oppression are disproportionately non-white. But correlation is not causation. By using a ‘color coalition’ as a proxy for socioeconomic oppression you’re hurting your cause.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      You *lose* natural allies (poor/oppressed whites) and fall for tactics of opponents: the divide between poor blacks and poor whites propped up for 150 years since civil war by the rich. And by casting a wide net, you *gain* unwilling/unsympathetic bycatch who will weaken you.

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      I’m broadly left-libertarian, with strong sympathy for people suffering from poverty, poor health, lack of education etc. To the extent skin color is a very strong multiplier I take it seriously, but not symbolically. It’s a good analysis variable but a terrible symbolizing one.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      Forget Asians, who are more likely to not fit politics implied by ‘POC’ than fit. Even rich blacks/Hispanics are likely going to be misfits in ways that seriously undermine intent (for example take roles intended to represent but not actually do so because of ‘white’ incentives)

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      Someone (I think @antoniogm) joked that what America needs is a class war, not a culture war. I’d rather not have a war at all, but I agree if we must have one, a “class war” (though not necessarily constructed in socialist terms) is a healthier one to have.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      One reason I think @AOC is a net healthy addition to the political stage, despite being skeptical of her economic policies is that she seems to be pursuing this class-over-culture framing. Not saying drop cultural identity. Just don’t make it the flag/symbolizing variable.

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      Tldr: it’s your choice whether to use the term. It doesn’t offend me, but it does not serve me either. It represents a slight negative utility which I would tolerate if I thought it was at least helping people who needed help, but it doesn’t do that either. So I don’t use it.

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    10. Nate Angell‏ @xolotl 13 Jan 2019
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      I was with you until “correlation is not causation”. My POV: We can’t think through and solve for economic inequity without recognizing racism’s role in its construction. We can’t address one social ill without addressing the constellation of structures that generate it.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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      Sure. Using the term POC is just a lousy tactic towards that end.

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        2. Nate Angell‏ @xolotl 13 Jan 2019
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          Agreed we need tactics to help more people join an “imagined community” not constructed by race. But at the same time, the imagined community of nation is also troubled. What are we asking people to BE beyond race or “American” [sic] or “Ghanese” etc?

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 13 Jan 2019
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          Whatever they want that does not involve coopting others who don’t actually share the identity. Free market of identities rather than bureaucracy. Most people do fine without strongly “being” anything .

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