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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Jan 2019
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      And here's the link to the poll about IDWhttps://twitter.com/vgr/status/1081304318139985920 …

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      Poll: Your view of the Intellectual Dark Web (see reply for link if you don’t know the term)
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    2. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Jan 2019
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      Why these two? From a variety of conversations, Woke and "Intellectual Dark Web" (IDW) are the two *intellectual* positions people seem to most often have in mind when they refer to "radicals" on other side, and most often have admitted (to me) closet support for one or other.

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    3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Jan 2019
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      It's useful to contrast sentiments about these two rather than their respective direct-action/populist street level supporters (desired or not) because they are sets of ideas rather than sets of he-said/she-said trigger events.

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    4. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Jan 2019
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      A possibly worthwhile exercise for people on both sides to ask is: why are there so many people willing to offer closet support but not card-carrying support? And why are there so many people in neutral and adversarial?

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    5. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Jan 2019
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      Note that there is no necessary anti-correlation here. I know from anecdotal evidence that many people voted adversarial on BOTH polls. These are the "dislike radicals on both sides" people.

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    6. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Jan 2019
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      It's certainly possible to improve how I probed these sentiments. Someone suggested I should have asked about "closet adversary" which is a very good suggestion, but I felt neutral was a more important option to present, and that "adversarial" covered it well enough.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Jan 2019
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      But the broad conclusions are fairly unmistakeable: the polarization is real, there are strong incentives for preference falsification on both sides (the closet support option) and there is significant active *dislike* for each side.

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    8. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Jan 2019
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      If you're a card-carrying partisan of either Woke/IDW, you're probably inclined to think of a) the closet supporters (23-27%) as either vulnerable or cowardly b) the adversaries as fundamentally evil (29-33%) and neutrals as apathetic assholes (29% - 30%).

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Jan 2019
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      I have opinions on all of this of course, but I'm limiting myself to drawing obvious and conservative conclusions from the polls here. One thing I'd caution against: I wouldn't dismiss these polls as unscientific twitter bullshit with a blackbox algorithm in the sampling.

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    10. Mike Hogan‏Verified account @mike_hogan 6 Jan 2019
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      What about closet adversaries?

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @mike_hogan

      see 3 bullets above

      11:17 AM - 6 Jan 2019
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        2. Mike Hogan‏Verified account @mike_hogan 6 Jan 2019
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          Oops, hadn’t fully unrolled. Thanks, interesting. Would be fascinating to see how these map against each other and who votes how in both polls

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        3. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 6 Jan 2019
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          Yes that's a cross-tab analysis and would require a proper survey. Not doable on twitter.

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