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    1. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 16 Nov 2018
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      My point is the inputs to such legal hardening are the same kind of thing whether you call them “PC” or “common civility”. The only difference is whose sensitivities are bring protected: the strong’s or the weak’s.

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    2. Dan listens to the last days of the first days‏ @danlistensto 16 Nov 2018
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      I disagree entirely. Compare that with the 1st Amendment to the U.S. constitution. C-16 abridges the speech acts of individuals. 1st amendment restrains the government from abridging the speech acts of individuals. Everything the state does is implicitly backed by violence.

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    3. Dan listens to the last days of the first days‏ @danlistensto 16 Nov 2018
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      Civility norms will always exist in mass scale societies, because when they collapse beyond a certain point so does the rest of your society. Using the force of law to control the speech of others (even unkind speech) is a massive leap towards societal civility collapse.

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    4. Dan listens to the last days of the first days‏ @danlistensto 16 Nov 2018
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      You can claim now that you are "protecting the sensitivies of the weak" but no faction stays in power forever and corruption, frailty, and opportunism are constant features of societies and those who govern them. Giving tools like this to the government is begging for it.

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    5. Dan listens to the last days of the first days‏ @danlistensto 16 Nov 2018
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      and it's a mistake to think that PC is necessarily protecting the sensitivities of the weak. that couldn't be further from the truth. PC is just the enforcement of group norms in speech and other public behavior. it is not always done with benign intent.

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    6. Dan listens to the last days of the first days‏ @danlistensto 16 Nov 2018
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      religious fanatics who attack people for blasphemy are also enforcing their own PC norms. in fact, that type of PC enforcement is historically the more prominent one.

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    7. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 16 Nov 2018
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      I think we're agreeing furiously

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    8. Dan listens to the last days of the first days‏ @danlistensto 16 Nov 2018
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      if you're still claiming that explicit rules and implicit PC norms are the same then no we aren't

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    9. Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 16 Nov 2018
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      No, I'm claiming that multiple informal *sources* of explicit legal rules are (decorum, civility, notions of PC) are basically equivalent modulo power.

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    10. Dan listens to the last days of the first days‏ @danlistensto 16 Nov 2018
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      the thing about an explicit rule is, regardless of where it came from or who's power it reinforces, you know what you get up front and someone violating their own explicit rules reveals themselves as a hypocrite (or tyrant) and suffers an appropriate loss of credibility.

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      Venkatesh Rao‏ @vgr 16 Nov 2018
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      Sure, my point here was inspired by Trump's WH saying it's going to put out new rules for press briefings since their informal idea of "decorum" was violated by inconveniently hostile reporters like Acosta. Hypocrisy is that Trump routinely behaves 10x worse in decorous settings

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